New To the Forum...Need ID and Gender ID help

[pcw_phoenix]

Hi Everyone, I'm new to this forum...I just recently acquired a Greek Tortoises...I was curious which subspec he/she is? and if it's a boy or a girl..

Thanks...here are the photos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54186040@N06/5014319469/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54186040@N06/5014318839/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54186040@N06/5014951178/in/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54186040@N06/5014343497/in/photostream

 

[Yvonne G]

Hi pcw:

Welcome to the forum! I personally can't help with the sub-species, however, you have a little girl!

 

[pcw_phoenix]

Hi pcw:

Welcome to the forum! I personally can't help with the sub-species, however, you have a little girl!

Really? because when i bought it from the store..(was a trade in) it was labeled as a boy.....I also found a black Greek tortoises(is there such thing as black?!?!?) a boy..so i guess i'll go buy that boy...

Thanks

 

[greeks]

A black greek is just a label for someone who doesn't know what the subspecies is. I have 4 "black greeks." Three of them are Jordanian greeks and one is a Turkish ibera. I'm not sure about yours. A couple folks are great at ID'ing little ones - they should be along soon enough

 

[agiletorts]

I think yours is a female ibera.

 

[egyptiandan]

I agree female T.g.ibera

Danny

 

[pcw_phoenix]

I agree female T.g.ibera

Danny

How can you tell? Also, i saw a male Greek Tortoises for sale..it's still a juvi...with a pyramiding on his shells...it's shell is like Almost 80-90% black in colour..is that a sub-spec as well? or is it a ibera too?

Thanks

J

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

"Black" Greeks just have more melanine in their pigments than "normals"...the more melanine, the darker they'll be.

Some folks breed "blacks" to "blacks" (and "golds" to "golds", for that matter) to reinforce this genetic trait. If you breed a "black" to a "normal", you might get two (or more, depending on each parent's ancestry) colors per clutch. If you breed a black to a gold, you might get all three in a given clutch...Mendelian genetics in action!

"Normal"

"Black"

"Gold"

Even within these "categories", there's a lot of variation in their coloring...the "Black" and "Gold" examples are kinda at the extreme ends of the spectrum...

Nice looking little girl...my male, Ptolemy, would probably love to whisper sweet talkin' in her ears...

 

[pcw_phoenix]

"Black" Greeks just have more melanine in their pigments than "normals"...the more melanine, the darker they'll be.

Some folks breed "blacks" to "blacks" (and "golds" to "golds", for that matter) to reinforce this genetic trait. If you breed a "black" to a "normal", you might get two (or more, depending on each parent's ancestry) colors per clutch. If you breed a black to a gold, you might get all three in a given clutch...Mendelian genetics in action!

"Normal"

"Black"

"Gold"

Even within these "categories", there's a lot of variation in their coloring...the "Black" and "Gold" examples are kinda at the extreme ends of the spectrum...

Nice looking little girl...my male, Ptolemy, would probably love to whisper sweet talkin' in her ears...

Thanks for the info..also...a pyramided tortoises...would you breed it..?!?!?the black greek i saw at the petshop..it's still young..i would say a bit smaller then the girl i have..and his shells are not smooth..some serious pyramiding going on..

thanks

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

"Black" Greeks just have more melanine in their pigments than "normals"...the more melanine, the darker they'll be.

Some folks breed "blacks" to "blacks" (and "golds" to "golds", for that matter) to reinforce this genetic trait. If you breed a "black" to a "normal", you might get two (or more, depending on each parent's ancestry) colors per clutch. If you breed a black to a gold, you might get all three in a given clutch...Mendelian genetics in action!

"Normal"

"Black"

"Gold"

Even within these "categories", there's a lot of variation in their coloring...the "Black" and "Gold" examples are kinda at the extreme ends of the spectrum...

Nice looking little girl...my male, Ptolemy, would probably love to whisper sweet talkin' in her ears...

Thanks for the info..also...a pyramided tortoises...would you breed it..?!?!?the black greek i saw at the petshop..it's still young..i would say a bit smaller then the girl i have..and his shells are not smooth..some serious pyramiding going on..

thanks

Possibly, as long as it's health is otherwise OK...pyramidding is not always a death sentence for the tortoise, only if it very severe. Is it possible to post a pic here or take the tortoise to a competent vet for assessment?

My Hermann's mother is from a small group that are all very pyramidded (as bad as in pic), but their health is otherwise excellent, and each lays a couple of clutches a year.

 

[pcw_phoenix]

I got these photos from a petshop near where i live..can anyone tell me what kinda Greek they are?!?!? are they baby ibrea as well???

Thank You

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54186040@N06/5018399022/photostream

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54186040@N06/5017793937/in/photostream

 

[egyptiandan]

Neither one is a T.g.ibera. The dark on is a Jordanian greek, T.g.ssp (undescribed subspecies). The light colored one is either a Syrian greek, T.g.terrestris or a cross of Syrian greek and a Golden greek.

Danny