no exotics under 5... your thoughts?
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old4x4 said:
I live in NY and any turtle...tortoise under 4 in. is illegal. Also box turtles of any kind is illegal to sell.
terryo said:
Terryo, that is not just in your state. Through out the USA it is illegal to sell turtles or tortoise that are unter 4 inches under specifc conditions.
Below is how the law reads. Though I do not know about individual state laws regarding other reptiles.
http://www.tortoise.org/general/4inch.html
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=1240.62
Barb92083 said:
Good Point
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I agree. I do not think its a matter of age for the child but how responsible the parent is. I use to breed bearded dragons (just sold off my stock) so my son has been raised with dogs, bearded dragons, and every animal you can think of he has probably seen up close or come into contact with.
It is up to the parents to teach a child how to act around animals. Children will be children but unfortunately like a child the novelty wears off with the adults too.
My son helps everyday feed and turn on lights to the reptiles. He lets the dogs in and out to go potty. He is in charge of filling there water bowl and he is pretty good about it. He plays with his tortoises daily. He is gentle and likes to take them outside and lays with them while they eat grass and sun. I keep thinking he is going to forget about them but he gets mad if I turn there lights off before he can. He loves to care for them but has from a very young age. His favorites are dwarf caimen. I refuse to get one but I bet when he gets old enough that is the first thing he is going to purchase.lol
He grew up from before he was born watching and loving croc hunter and he still will choose to watch a nature show over a cartoon. I love that I have nurtured that side of him. He is an only child and I am a stay at home mom so he spend a lot of time playing with his animals. He like me would be lost without them.
It is all on the parents and the children.
My son as a baby with our old dog Mr Big... Yeah, he is a big handsome pit bull that was my sons keeper. He has since passed away and we miss him daily.
My son felt bad for this dragon who has upper respiratory on arrival and we treated him.
My son with his dogs
Some of his favorite dragon babies
(OOps the rest of my reply. sorry so long but I love to show of my favorite things in life)
It is my responsibility to make sure he is safe and the animals. He has never once been bitten by anything or sick from anything. He has never really been sick period. He loves all animals and has a deep affection for them and I really try to nurture that side of him but in the end it all falls on my shoulders if any animal or my son gets hurt or sick.
Never buy a child a pet unless you yourself fully want to own it too.
It is up to the parents to teach a child how to act around animals. Children will be children but unfortunately like a child the novelty wears off with the adults too.
My son helps everyday feed and turn on lights to the reptiles. He lets the dogs in and out to go potty. He is in charge of filling there water bowl and he is pretty good about it. He plays with his tortoises daily. He is gentle and likes to take them outside and lays with them while they eat grass and sun. I keep thinking he is going to forget about them but he gets mad if I turn there lights off before he can. He loves to care for them but has from a very young age. His favorites are dwarf caimen. I refuse to get one but I bet when he gets old enough that is the first thing he is going to purchase.lol
He grew up from before he was born watching and loving croc hunter and he still will choose to watch a nature show over a cartoon. I love that I have nurtured that side of him. He is an only child and I am a stay at home mom so he spend a lot of time playing with his animals. He like me would be lost without them.
It is all on the parents and the children.
My son as a baby with our old dog Mr Big... Yeah, he is a big handsome pit bull that was my sons keeper. He has since passed away and we miss him daily.
My son felt bad for this dragon who has upper respiratory on arrival and we treated him.
My son with his dogs
Some of his favorite dragon babies
(OOps the rest of my reply. sorry so long but I love to show of my favorite things in life
)
It is my responsibility to make sure he is safe and the animals. He has never once been bitten by anything or sick from anything. He has never really been sick period. He loves all animals and has a deep affection for them and I really try to nurture that side of him but in the end it all falls on my shoulders if any animal or my son gets hurt or sick.
Never buy a child a pet unless you yourself fully want to own it too.
Your son is beautiful. I raised five sons...stay at home mom too. They all got my love of animals and nature. I tried to teach all of them to be responsible pet owners and to love all God's creatures. Every Spring my Son's come over and help me clean my ponds...fix turtle pens...Sharing our love of animals and nature through the years has made me very close to my children.
Can't decide which images I like bestest; Your son snoozing with the dawg, or your son wearing a lizzie hat!
Thanx for the share, lol, very cool
Purpod
Thanx for the share, lol, very cool
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Thanks everyone. He is a complete joy and fun to have around.
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emysemys said:
Well said. As a general matter, a parent or guardian is entrusted with the legal responsibility of making decisions on behalf of a minor. With the exception where cases when a parent or guardian acts contrary to the interest of a minor. I don’t see that in this case.
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Touchy subject this seems to be. I have a 2 year old god daughter and she doesn't mix well with pets of any kind....she tries to make a grab for Adrian in an agressive way...by that i mean of she got hold of him she'd throw him....but she hasn't been around pets...her mother doesn't own any so he doesn't have the understanding. The main problem is that some kids are capable of caring for pets in general and some aren't, i think most people should be vetted...over here in the uk you often get vetted by breeders or the RSPCA before they wll allow you to own a pet from them...the problem is that I'm a WildLife Warrior and since i work by Steve Irwins rules it boils down to education...for both kids and parents...i mean Steve's kids were around all kinds of animals right from birth but he nurtured them to understand and care for the animals around them....that's the key.
children are exotic pets.
I think that "goverment is the problem not the solution" and in the USA we are not Socialist nor a Dictatorship.... So the "man" should have much much more important things other than telling people how to run their life, such as using our tax money properly.
I agree with what most have said here: there is no reason to put a ban on anything because a few ignorant peeps need a swift kick in the butt! I hear ya loud & clear, Robyn!
It's rather like the anti-gun laws here in Cali: because of the gangs in So. Cal., idiot Feinstein wants to ban guns.. but if you think about it for a minute, making it illegal for a responsible person to own a gun does not mean that the criminals (who are already breaking the law) are going to be less armed, surely the contrary. Shoot, as it is, LAPD is out-armed. Then who has all the weapons? The criminals.
Parents who are responsible with teaching their children about the scaled family members should not be condemned because of the morons who buy a sulcata for their 3 year old 'cuz "It's a little cute turtle" with no clue as to how to care for it, much less what to do once the "little cute turtle" grows up!
Indeed, Government has plenty of worries to spend their limited resources on here in the US ~ and it certainly should have nothing to do about what transpires in my own home unless I've endangered my children. I hate it when the innocent/intelligent peeps are ruled by those who feel the need to parent the crappy ignorant peeps!
That's my story & I'm sticking to it!
Purpod
It's rather like the anti-gun laws here in Cali: because of the gangs in So. Cal., idiot Feinstein wants to ban guns.. but if you think about it for a minute, making it illegal for a responsible person to own a gun does not mean that the criminals (who are already breaking the law) are going to be less armed, surely the contrary. Shoot, as it is, LAPD is out-armed. Then who has all the weapons? The criminals.
Parents who are responsible with teaching their children about the scaled family members should not be condemned because of the morons who buy a sulcata for their 3 year old 'cuz "It's a little cute turtle" with no clue as to how to care for it, much less what to do once the "little cute turtle" grows up!
Indeed, Government has plenty of worries to spend their limited resources on here in the US ~ and it certainly should have nothing to do about what transpires in my own home unless I've endangered my children. I hate it when the innocent/intelligent peeps are ruled by those who feel the need to parent the crappy ignorant peeps!
That's my story & I'm sticking to it!
Purpod
purpod said:I agree with what most have said here: there is no reason to put a ban on anything because a few ignorant peeps need a swift kick in the butt! I hear ya loud & clear, Robyn!
It's rather like the anti-gun laws here in Cali: because of the gangs in So. Cal., idiot Feinstein wants to ban guns.. but if you think about it for a minute, making it illegal for a responsible person to own a gun does not mean that the criminals (who are already breaking the law) are going to be less armed, surely the contrary. Shoot, as it is, LAPD is out-armed. Then who has all the weapons? The criminals.
Parents who are responsible with teaching their children about the scaled family members should not be condemned because of the morons who buy a sulcata for their 3 year old 'cuz "It's a little cute turtle" with no clue as to how to care for it, much less what to do once the "little cute turtle" grows up!
Indeed, Government has plenty of worries to spend their limited resources on here in the US ~ and it certainly should have nothing to do about what transpires in my own home unless I've endangered my children. I hate it when the innocent/intelligent peeps are ruled by those who feel the need to parent the crappy ignorant peeps!
That's my story & I'm sticking to it!
Purpod
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I must say...I don't feel that the government should have anything to do with this issue. I do on the other hand have to say...that, unfortunately, there are a lot of "stupid" people out there. So many animals wind up being neglected, homeless, abused, some even put to sleep because they wind up going to the pound, all because some parents don't take the proper steps in educating their child about what they are getting themselves into.
With my stepdaughter, and she is 12 years old, she is still incapable of caring for an animal. No matter how hard we try to make her understand...she just doesn't get it. I thought that a hamster would be a good start. Well, a month later she had him in his rolly ball thing and she picked him up to take him downstairs, one of his little claws went through the ball, and she freaked out and dropped the ball all the way down the stairs. Luckily the little guy was not harmed, just a little dizzy. However, after that happened we found him a new home, she no longer wanted him because she was scared of him. About six months ago she wanted us to take in a mouse from her school and the answer was no. Parents must know that a pet for your child, means a pet for you, because no matter what you are the parent, meaning whatever your child has, you have.
As far as dealing with exotics, I feel the same with any animal. All animals are precious. All animals deserve excellent care and all children should be protected against what might harm them as well. It should be a parental decision, but an educated parental decision.
With my stepdaughter, and she is 12 years old, she is still incapable of caring for an animal. No matter how hard we try to make her understand...she just doesn't get it. I thought that a hamster would be a good start. Well, a month later she had him in his rolly ball thing and she picked him up to take him downstairs, one of his little claws went through the ball, and she freaked out and dropped the ball all the way down the stairs. Luckily the little guy was not harmed, just a little dizzy. However, after that happened we found him a new home, she no longer wanted him because she was scared of him. About six months ago she wanted us to take in a mouse from her school and the answer was no. Parents must know that a pet for your child, means a pet for you, because no matter what you are the parent, meaning whatever your child has, you have.
As far as dealing with exotics, I feel the same with any animal. All animals are precious. All animals deserve excellent care and all children should be protected against what might harm them as well. It should be a parental decision, but an educated parental decision.
I have 2 torts and have 2 kids under 5,its important to teach children about animals,They are not allowed to touch the Torts,but they will sit watching them go about their daily business. About infection, thats silly, as infection you can get from any animal that is not looked after properly, Yes there is the Salmonella problem,Wash yoour hands and there shouldnt be a problem,You can get parasites from dogs and cats, diseases from Rats, leshmanosis from mosquitos, so whats the problem with reptiles,Water turtles are almost radicated from salmonella.Its all a question of hygiene and good husbandry.
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