Photo Avis

[johndesiles]

I find this rather curious photo in l identification.
To the right male reproductive grown-up Manouria emys emys.
To the left a male adult Manouria Curieuse.
Thank you has you for your participation

Je trouve cette photo plutôt curieuse dans l identification .
A droite un male Manouria emys emys adulte reproducteur .
A gauche un male adulte Manouria Curieuse .
Merci a vous pour votre participation

 

[johndesiles]

He(It) seems to have a big difference between 2 tortoises.
I do not think that is both emys emys, just that of the right.
You think of it what?

 

[johndesiles]

Yvonne ?

 

[emystiong]

He(It) seems to have a big difference between 2 tortoises.
I do not think that is both emys emys, just that of the right.
You think of it what?

From pictures both look Male but different type

- left is M. emys phayrei

- right is M.emys emys

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[johndesiles]

There is of strong luck that she is hybrid:/
Thanks for you photos emystiong

 

[emystiong]

There is of strong luck that she is hybrid:/
Thanks for you photos emystiong

Which one the hybrid ? The other one is a pure breed as well .

Cheers

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There is of strong luck that she is hybrid:/
Thanks for you photos emystiong

Which one the hybrid ? The other one is a pure breed as well .

Cheers

 

[johndesiles]

The tortoise has right is a manouria emys emys pure.
That of the left is hybrid it is his(her,its) emystiong?

 

[emystiong]

Should be M.e.e. , M.e.p. and M.i. So all should be pure or bought as such ( all 3 are WC )

Unless they intergrade in the wild too !!

 

[johndesiles]

Your tortoises are magnificent Emystiong! Yes pure race three I spoke about possible hybridization for my tortoise.
You are really very lucky, j would so much like to have of the grown-up impressa.
Friendly

 

[Yvonne G]

Sorry it took me so long to reply. I'm just now seeing this thread for the first time.

The animal on the left is an intergrade Mep/Mee. The one on the right is an Mee.

 

[emystiong]

Sorry it took me so long to reply. I'm just now seeing this thread for the first time.

The animal on the left is an intergrade Mep/Mee. The one on the right is an Mee.

Why you guys and gals speaks of intergrade so often ?

May I clear one thing first - Intergrade as in breeding Mee to Mep or vice versa right ?

But the overlapping range of them is not that big in the wild ( only northern Malaysia to southern Thailand ) , so chances of Mee and Mep coming together to breed is quite slim ? And for an intergrade to escape being eaten , be caught , exported and landed in Europe or USA .... Chances Is even smaller .

Unless they are created or put together in ranch to be bred for export .

I tried but the smaller Mee male can't managed the bigger Mep Female and the Mee female not interested in Mep male !

Any proven or tried out case anyone here know of or seen in person ?


Cheers

 

[mikeh]

Re: RE: Photo Avis

Sorry it took me so long to reply. I'm just now seeing this thread for the first time.

The animal on the left is an intergrade Mep/Mee. The one on the right is an Mee.

Hmm, these are the exact same animals from a previous thread, where it was "clear" to you that both were Emys Emys.

 

[Yvonne G]

Which only goes to prove that even the so-called "experts" can be wrong upon occasion.

 

[johndesiles]

Can have to make genetic tests if yes, or?
I am very interested to avoid a possible crossing who would give hybrids.

 

[emystiong]

Can have to make genetic tests if yes, or?
I am very interested to avoid a possible crossing who would give hybrids.

To prevent hybrid or intergrade ,
I try to keep my herd as pure as possible ( but in most case have to trust the suppliers' word )

Cheers

 

[emysbreeder]

Sorry it took me so long to reply. I'm just now seeing this thread for the first time.

The animal on the left is an intergrade Mep/Mee. The one on the right is an Mee.

......Yvonne, why do you think its a intergrade? Vic

 

[Yvonne G]

I was speaking from my own experience. The pure strain of Mep has the pectoral scutes meeting exactly in the middle with absolutely NO space between them. The pure strain of Mee has very short pectoral scutes. On MY intergrades, the ones with Mep-looking pectoral scutes has a very tiny line where they meet, just like the picture on the left in the first post.