Setting up for a Russian Tortoise - Constructive comments welcome

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To @Tom @Carol S @Yvonne G and the rest of the wonderful people on TortioseForum!

My name is David Steere and this is going to be my first Tortoise. My wife Sandra who I was married for 30 years passed away last December and seeing that my children and grandchildren still live with me I figured it is a good time for me to get a new companion that will be with me to the end of my days. One wife was all I ever needed in this world. There could be no replacement.

So I figure I would get something I always wanted but never got around to get. A Russian Tortoise.

I am the typical person who bought turtles, fish, reptiles at a pet store and once I got them home I than thought of how to take care of them. Always ended terribly!

This time I want to get it right and setup an open tortoise table where I could just sit on my bench alone or with my family members and watch and care for my new companion along with how everyone's day was..

Since it would not be fair to my family to get into another relationship I am going to settle for the next best thing. A Russian Tortoise who will be called Sandy ( covers both male and female ) in honor of my wife. I am going to try to take care of the tortoise just as I did my wife. With tender loving care.

Below is what I have put together so far.

PICTURES OF TORTOISE TABLE

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GENERAL
  • I am 59 years old. With proper care the tortoise will outlive me. Will be slowly having the kids, grandkids, and great grandkids who all either live with me or live five minutes drive to help take care of the tortoise. This brings me great happiness that my family lives so close. I must of done something right! With luck I can instill the love I have with tortoises to my family. So when I to pass away there will be someone who can take over for me.
  • Veterinarians. If things go sideways I have a number of veterinarians fairly close by my home. Plus TortoiseForum is only a post away! In a sense you all have now become my extended family.

Ocean State Veterinary Specialists
1480 South County Trail
East Greenwich, RI 02818
Tel: (401) 886-OSVS (6787)
Fax: (401) 886-8998

Wickford Veterinary Clinic
7440 Post Road
North Kingstown, RI 02852
Tel: (401) 295-9739
Tel: (401) 886-6787 (emergency)

That out of the way lets talk about the setup.

TABLE
  • 48"x72"x16" box. Bottom and sides are 1/2" vinyl veneered. 1/2" plywood floor and 2x construction glued and screwed. ( I selected an open table veneered with vinyl for easy cleaning. 2x construction allows me to stand/jump right in enclosure )
  • 2 1/4" interior overhang to prevent tortoise from escaping.
  • Bottom of table is 16" off floor. Inside walls are 16" high.
  • I have enough room for expansion in the future. Room to create an additional 48"x48"x16" wing.

SUBSTRATE
  • 3" Coconut Coir bottom layer. Many places OVER 3" to allow burrowing.
  • 1" Orchid Bark top layer to help keep coconut coir moist and humid.
  • In winter months the basement is dry. Plan on keeping Coconut Coir very moist to help tortoise hydrate.
LIGHTING
HIDES
  • Tipped over planter. Berm to 6" height to allow burrowing.
  • Humid hide which is 36"x18"x8" - ( Constant 75 +/- degrees temperature / 70 - 100 percent humidity 24/7. )
DIET
  • Fix a bowl about as big as the tortoises shell once a day. Add more at noon if tortoise eats everything.
  • Plan on giving the tortoise a variety of grocery, pet store and home grown foods.
  • Seed Mix: Broadleaf testudo mix - ( Plan to let grow and hand cut and feed. Never going to place tray in enclosure. )
  • Mazuri Original 5M21 Tortoise Food
  • Zoo Med Natural Grassland Tortoise Food
  • Grocery Items: Spring mix, endive, escarole, carrot tops, cilantro, mustard, turnip and collard greens, arugula, cilantro, kale, squash leaves, romaine, green or red leaf lettuce, butter lettuce, water cress, celery tops and much more.
  • Will use The Tortoise Table and try to plant more varieties. More different plant food the better.
  • HUGE VARIETY OF RECOMMENDED FOODS. EVERY DAY PER WEEK SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE MIX.
  • NEVER GIVE TORTOISE ANY FRUIT.
SUPPLEMENTS
SOAKING / ( HUMITITY - ADMIT ACHILLES HEEL )
  • Since table is open which I know is not recommended I would like to do the following 24/7 and 365 days a year.
  • Keep large Humid Hide which is 36"x18"x8" at 70 to100 percent humidity 24/7 and 365 days a year. Sensor is fastened at top by Velcro in the middle/ top of the container.
  • Plan on placing the soaking container within enclosure only when soaking. Water level the height where bottom/top shell meets. Tortoise will only be picked up 4 times a day. Never more than 6" off substate in case of a fall. Rest of the time the tortoise will be free to do anything it wants.
  • 24 hours/ 7 days a week/ 365 day a year. I work at home and never leave the property. That being the case I plan on soaking the tortoise 2 hours a day. Soakings will occur at 6am, 12pm, 6pm and 12am each for 30 minutes. This with hydrate the tortoise as well help keep the enclosure clean ( poop and pee while soaking ) to extend the time I need to do a total recleaning with new substrate. Will check in on tortoise every couple of hours.
  • My regular sleep schedule is 1am to 6am for the last 40 years so will not interfere with my life in the slightest. Two or more hours away from video games, yes almost 60 and still playing games, will probably do me some good. Watching the tortoise while soaking will be so much fun. Probably will be talking to the tortoise the whole time.
  • Spray with garden hose the entire surface on "Mist" setting "x" times a week to keep humidity in substrate as high as possible. Testing shows I can keep the temperature at 70 and humidity pegged at 100% percent below substrate using a Zoo Med Digital Combo Reptile Terrarium Thermometer Humidity Gauge sensors touching the bottom vinyl floor under the substrate. Substate is moist, not wet/muddy at touch. Could setup a automatic misting system, like I use to do plant cutting propagating. Something like 5 second mist every hour. This could in theory combat the never ending battle that I am in raising the humidity above substrate a little and continue to keep the below substrate ideal. Automatic would be a plus also. Would have a water source 24/7 all year.
  • Normal room humidity is between 30 and 40 during the winter months and 70 degree temperature +/-.
  • Normal room humidity is between 60 and 80 during the summer months with 90 degree temperature +/-.
My plan was to get an adult Russian Tortoise but to my dismay all the breeders I have found only have hatchlings. I did find a breeder who sells juvenile Russian Tortoises so leaning on purchasing the tortoise from that breeder. I know the younger the tortoise the less mistakes you can make. Hesitant to get a hatchling due to my humidity limitations.

MISCELLANEOUS
  • Unfortunately the tortoise will need to be always kept in enclosure. We have dogs, cats, fruit trees we spray, lawn that we fertilize and especially very young great grandchildren that could drop, kick or step on tortoise. Basement is now off limits to all pets and young children or anyone else who does not know the rules. Rule number one is DO NOT PICK UP TORTOISE. And those that do must wash hands before and after only when soaking.
  • Everything I need is one step away from my Tortoise table. No human area used for tortoise stuff.
  • Utility sink right next to tortoise table so I can have cold or hot water.
  • Garden hose with "Mist" setting attached to sink so warm water can be used to spray entire table "x" times a week.
  • New refrigerator right next to tortoise table to store tortoise food.
  • Table / Workbench right next to tortoise table to use for tortoise stuff like indoor planting, preparing food and anything else that comes up.
  • 4 - Zoo Med Digital Combo Reptile Terrarium Thermometer Humidity Gauge spread around Tortoise table.
  • Mini Non-Contact Laser Infrared Thermometer Temperature Gun for quick spot checks.
  • Solarmeter Model 6.5R UV Index Meter Reptile Accessory, Green for quick spot checks.
  • Generator if power goes out for a long period of time at a bad time of year. Colder months.
DAILY ROUTINE
  • 6am-6:30am = soak / inspect enclosure ( get rid of old food, poop ) / change water dish / when done soaking place tortoise near fresh food.
  • 12pm-12:30pm = soak/ change water dish / when done soaking place tortoise under basking lamp.
  • 6pm-6:30pm = soak/ change water dish / when done soaking place tortoise under basking lamp.
  • 12am-12:30am = soak/ change water dish / when done soaking place tortoise near remaining food.
  • 12:30am = Lights out over table ( simulate dusk since other lights are still on in room ).
  • 1am = Lights out in whole room. Owner and Tortoise time to sleep.
MONTHLY ROUTINE
  • Measure and Weigh tortoise and document on this post each month. This way I have a record and forum members can observe my efforts and let me know if they notice something I overlooked. Thirty years as a computer programmer has taught me the more eyes on a project the better the project turns out.
So sorry for such a long post. I am looking forward to many years here on TortoiseForum. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to read this post. Look forward to comments, suggestions and concerns.
David, sorry to hear about your wife. As a husband and father, my heart goes out to you.
As a Russian tortoise nut, I am thrilled to see so much attention to detail!
As a few have mentioned, no need to soak that much or mist heavily, especially in winter. Also, an outdoor summer setup would be much preferred.

I have an adult I can send you. Message me and we will work it out.
 

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Please let me know if you notice any concerns or questions concerning Sandy.

October 2025

Monthly Checking: Sandy gained 19 grams and grew 0 inch this month!

Age: 25 months old
Weight: 513 grams
Length: 5 3/4 inches +/-

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He is now the same size as my male!
 

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Please let me know if you notice any concerns or questions concerning Sandy.

October 2025

Monthly Checking: Sandy gained 19 grams and grew 0 inch this month!

Age: 25 months old
Weight: 513 grams
Length: 5 3/4 inches +/-

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Love that Sandy's shell still has his Bat Signals 🦇
 

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Please let me know if you notice any concerns or questions concerning Sandy.

November 2025

Monthly Checking: Sandy gained 5 grams and grew 0 inch this month!

Age: 26 months old
Weight: 518 grams
Length: 5 3/4 inches +/-
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Sandy looks good. And thank you for regular updates!
 

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December 2025

Monthly Checking: Sandy gained 22 grams and grew 1/4 inch this month!

Age: 27 months old
Weight: 540 grams
Length: 6 inches +/-

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The tortoise looks good and has good growth. A profile photo would be useful in judging how well you are controlling any pyramiding, though.
 

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Have you thought of using Coconut Oil for Keratin Treatments? Not to repair any damage just to keep that beautiful shell fully hydrated. In our Russian population their shells seem to be the most brittle or crack prone. Nothing terrible of course just seems they have a smaller tolerance for dehydrated Keratin. KUDOS to you young man Great Job.
 

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Have you thought of using Coconut Oil for Keratin Treatments? Not to repair any damage just to keep that beautiful shell fully hydrated. In our Russian population their shells seem to be the most brittle or crack prone. Nothing terrible of course just seems they have a smaller tolerance for dehydrated Keratin. KUDOS to you young man Great Job.
Interesting.

I live in Rhode Island, USA.
  1. Could you send me a link of a particular brand.
  2. How many times a week.
  3. How is the best to apply it. With a face cloth maybe?
  4. Any other useful details that would help me.
I will fit it into my schedule. I have had Sandy now for two years and he has never missed a 30 minute morning soak.

He starts my day everyday!
 

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@David Steere ...... You are an incredible man, Sandy isn't just lucky to have you but it looks like your heart is so happy to have Sandy.

Cold pressed Unrefined Coconut oil ..... any brand really will work, we happen to have this one.
Make sure you wash the oil off with Luke warm water 30 minutes after applying, the wife uses baby shampoo to do this. Sandy is in such great shape that once a month would be plenty I'd imagine BUT @Yvonne G would have a better idea of what's best (in the sense of times per year applied). We just use our fingers to apply and pretty much give the tort/turtle a massage with the oil, making sure to get it in all the little nooks and crannies.
** In case you didn't know - Lauric Acid makes Keratin 'open up' and absorb oil, essentially rehydrating it, this coconut oil's fats are comprised of almost 50% Lauric acid. So what you are doing is telling the Keratin to open up and absorb oil that is beneficial to the Keratin of the shell.
 

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My granddaughter is going to help take more pictures close up this week. In meantime here is a couple that I took.

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Sandy's new growth looks great! I use coconut oil with Walter. I apply it after his bath (once every 1-2 weeks), give him some food while it absorbs for a few minutes, and then wipe off the excess with paper towel. I don't wash it off as it absorbs well and the paper towel does the rest.
 

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Sandy's new growth looks great! I use coconut oil with Walter. I apply it after his bath (once every 1-2 weeks), give him some food while it absorbs for a few minutes, and then wipe off the excess with paper towel. I don't wash it off as it absorbs well and the paper towel does the rest.
Some of the lipids in the coconut oil are very stubborn and cannot be removed dry or without warm water to 'liquefy' it. Here on the tort forum there is GREAT threads on 'how' and 'why' with the cocnut oil. 1 of the best threads is from like 2012. Be very careful applying it that often and not washing it, you will start to build up small areas of lipids that will create weird growth between scutes.
 

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Some of the lipids in the coconut oil are very stubborn and cannot be removed dry or without warm water to 'liquefy' it. Here on the tort forum there is GREAT threads on 'how' and 'why' with the cocnut oil. 1 of the best threads is from like 2012. Be very careful applying it that often and not washing it, you will start to build up small areas of lipids that will create weird growth between scutes.
Thanks Epps, I've read through just about every coconut oil thread on the forum. They're a great resource. Two years in and no sign of buildup with Walter's current bathing and coconut application schedule. I'm personally not comfortable using any soaps or shampoos with him - warm water and a soft toothbrush gets the job done over here 😊
 

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personally not comfortable using any soaps or shampoos with him - warm water and a soft toothbrush gets the job done over here 😊
I'm with ya on that. As long as you can get the stubborn lipids off you are doing great for their shell. Great job.....I always wonder if their shell (when overlay dry is bothersome? Like real dry flaky skin.)
 

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Please let me know if you notice any concerns or questions concerning Sandy.

Am I doing anything wrong? Noticed Sandy's skin is peeling in one area. It is not raw underneath as far as I can see. I am not even going to try to pull at it since I do not want to cause the skin to rip.

Just wondering if it is normal wear and tear or something I am doing incorrect.

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I have noticed also that Sandra has this in front of his shell that when he gets scared and goes into his shell quick sometimes a piece of skin peels also on the top of his head.

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Just wondering if anyone has experience with these issues?
 

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Please let me know if you notice any concerns or questions concerning Sandy.

Am I doing anything wrong? Noticed Sandy's skin is peeling in one area. It is not raw underneath as far as I can see. I am not even going to try to pull at it since I do not want to cause the skin to rip.

Just wondering if it is normal wear and tear or something I am doing incorrect.

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I have noticed also that Sandra has this in front of his shell that when he gets scared and goes into his shell quick sometimes a piece of skin peels also on the top of his head.

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Just wondering if anyone has experience with these issues?
I have a Russian that has flaky/peeling skin on his neck. It comes and goes. Just up the soaks, which seems to help. I Never see raw skin.
 

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Please let me know if you notice any concerns or questions concerning Sandy.

Am I doing anything wrong? Noticed Sandy's skin is peeling in one area. It is not raw underneath as far as I can see. I am not even going to try to pull at it since I do not want to cause the skin to rip.

Just wondering if it is normal wear and tear or something I am doing incorrect.

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I have noticed also that Sandra has this in front of his shell that when he gets scared and goes into his shell quick sometimes a piece of skin peels also on the top of his head.

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Just wondering if anyone has experience with these issues?
The front edges of that middle scute and even the two on either side of it, too, are sharp on young tortoises and sometimes cut into the neck skin when the tortoise pulls its head in during eating or when startled. You can use a nail file or some sandpaper to take off the sharp edge(s) and it will not continue to happen.
 

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