So sad (painted tortoise)

[sibi]

RE: So sad

How about this for a cause. If the nail polish is non-poisonous, it would still require nail polish remover to get it off (just in case she decides to try another color). And, if the nail polish was made in China, it's very likely that it's poisonous. EITHER WAY, acetone is harmful to our skin, much more to the scutes of a poor, defenseless tort. And, if that's not good enough to be outraged, you may want to try putting a questionable nail polish on one of your animals and then use acetone to remove it. I bet you would be outraged when you see the skin peal off from the acetone. Lol hahaha

Personal experience: I received a 3 year old sully as a rescue. She weighed 4 ounces and had a purpleish nail polish on the top scute above her head. At first I couldn't understand why someone would do that, but I soon found out that my other sullies thought it was the fruit of the cactus, and tried repeatedly to bite her. She would scatter away from them as fast as her tiny, weak legs would take her. She had to do that everytime she was around her siblings (they were also abused but larger than she was). It's a marvel she survived that long. So, when i see nail polish on torts, poisonous or not, it's understandable to be outraged! Btw, anyone who could question what we don't really know and suggests that "it may not be what you think" is themselves guilty of the same thing only in a callous, insensible way. Knowledge...who could really know what's going on with that poor tort. But, seeing is believing. Painted scutes, broken carapace, found in a dog park surrounded by grass. For all you know, the tort was drawn to the park to eat dog dung.Lol

There are nontoxic nail polishes.

MY OUTRAGE NEEDS A CAUSE!!!

lol

 

[Baoh]

RE: So sad

How about this for a cause. If the nail polish is non-poisonous, it would still require nail polish remover to get it off (just in case she decides to try another color). And, if the nail polish was made in China, it's very likely that it's poisonous. EITHER WAY, acetone is harmful to our skin, much more to the scutes of a poor, defenseless tort. And, if that's not good enough to be outraged, you may want to try putting a questionable nail polish on one of your animals and then use acetone to remove it. I bet you would be outraged when you see the skin peal off from the acetone. Lol hahaha

Personal experience: I received a 3 year old sully as a rescue. She weighed 4 ounces and had a purpleish nail polish on the top scute above her head. At first I couldn't understand why someone would do that, but I soon found out that my other sullies thought it was the fruit of the cactus, and tried repeatedly to bite her. She would scatter away from them as fast as her tiny, weak legs would take her. She had to do that everytime she was around her siblings (they were also abused but larger than she was). It's a marvel she survived that long. So, when i see nail polish on torts, poisonous or not, it's understandable to be outraged! Btw, anyone who could question what we don't really know and suggests that "it may not be what you think" is themselves guilty of the same thing only in a callous, insensible way. Knowledge...who could really what's going on with that poor tort. But, seeing is believing. Painted scutes, broken carapace, found in a dog park surrounded by grass. For all you know, the tort was drawn to the park to eat dog dug.Lol

There are nontoxic nail polishes.

MY OUTRAGE NEEDS A CAUSE!!!

lol

Does the nontoxic nail polish require acetone for removal?

I have used acetone to remove markings from breeders on countless hatchlings. Never had any problems. Not sure what you are doing with your acetone. Acetone gets on my skin frequently enough, too. It is so volatile that nothing occurs to my skin outside of rapid evaporative cooling. No damage to my skin. No damage to their scutes.

Does emotionally laden language like "poor" and "defenseless" increase the harm such that scutes are affected when you do this?

What specifically about nail polish remover manufactured in China is the problem here?

I do not put polishes on my animals, but I do take them off. Somehow, I must not be doing whatever you are doing that peels off the skin. Maybe you should leave polish removal to others if that is happening when you try to remove it.

lol

 

[sibi]

RE: So sad

LOL

How about this for a cause. If the nail polish is non-poisonous, it would still require nail polish remover to get it off (just in case she decides to try another color). And, if the nail polish was made in China, it's very likely that it's poisonous. EITHER WAY, acetone is harmful to our skin, much more to the scutes of a poor, defenseless tort. And, if that's not good enough to be outraged, you may want to try putting a questionable nail polish on one of your animals and then use acetone to remove it. I bet you would be outraged when you see the skin peal off from the acetone. Lol hahaha

Personal experience: I received a 3 year old sully as a rescue. She weighed 4 ounces and had a purpleish nail polish on the top scute above her head. At first I couldn't understand why someone would do that, but I soon found out that my other sullies thought it was the fruit of the cactus, and tried repeatedly to bite her. She would scatter away from them as fast as her tiny, weak legs would take her. She had to do that everytime she was around her siblings (they were also abused but larger than she was). It's a marvel she survived that long. So, when i see nail polish on torts, poisonous or not, it's understandable to be outraged! Btw, anyone who could question what we don't really know and suggests that "it may not be what you think" is themselves guilty of the same thing only in a callous, insensible way. Knowledge...who could really what's going on with that poor tort. But, seeing is believing. Painted scutes, broken carapace, found in a dog park surrounded by grass. For all you know, the tort was drawn to the park to eat dog dug.Lol

There are nontoxic nail polishes.

MY OUTRAGE NEEDS A CAUSE!!!

lol

Does the nontoxic nail polish require acetone for removal?

I have used acetone to remove markings from breeders on countless hatchlings. Never had any problems. Not sure what you are doing with your acetone. Acetone gets on my skin frequently enough, too. It is so volatile that nothing occurs to my skin outside of rapid evaporative cooling. No damage to my skin. No damage to their scutes.

Does emotionally laden language like "poor" and "defenseless" increase the harm such that scutes are affected when you do this?

What specifically about nail polish remover manufactured in China is the problem here?

I do not put polishes on my animals, but I do take them off. Somehow, I must not be doing whatever you are doing that peels off the skin. Maybe you should leave polish removal to others if that is happening when you try to remove it.

lol

 

[peasinapod]

RE: So sad

Doesn't painting over the growth lines prevent even growth? I think I saw pictures where scutes sticked together because there where paint residues left.

 

[Baoh]

RE: So sad

That may be. It depends on how strong the lacquer is. The growth is not occurring at the exposed surface. Having seen a bunch of babies with dribbling of polish onto the seam/margin, I have not actually witnessed any which failed to properly grow apart as a direct response to paint/lacquer/polish, but it might be good to avoid it all the same.

 

[sibi]

RE: So sad

Anyone who takes the position that there's no harm in applying paint/nail polish on the scutes or growth lines of tortoises is rather naive and callous. The message you convey is that it's okay to paint your tort while not recommending it. It's an abuse of the husbandry of the animal. If a dog or cat owner painted the face or body of their animal, it would constitute abuse. That's where the outrage should be. Yet, you keep defending the position that there's no harm in such action. What about the people who read your position and reason, "well, he's a 'scientist,' he should know;" it's okay to paint their animals for the holidays or Halloween. Let's see how the members feel about that.

 

[luvpetz27]

I agree with everything sibi has said.

 

[Yvonne G]

I have a vague recollection of a movie star years ago that had to be painted head to toe in gold paint for a movie. If memory serves, the star got very sick from the paint, and the powers that be learned from that that there are certain types of paint that can and can't be used to cover the whole body.

Seems to me it would be the same with turtles/tortoises.

If anyone would like to debate this issue, Sibi has started a debate thread:

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-78043.html

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

I have a vague recollection of a movie star years ago that had to be painted head to toe in gold paint for a movie. If memory serves, the star got very sick from the paint, and the powers that be learned from that that there are certain types of paint that can and can't be used to cover the whole body.

Seems to me it would be the same with turtles/tortoises.

If anyone would like to debate this issue, Sibi has started a debate thread:

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-78043.html

That was Buddy Ebsen (Jed Clampett, Barnaby Jones, etc.) when he was supposed to be The Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz...VERY allergic reaction to the aluminum dust over the body paint.

Seems I heard of an actress who died from being covered with body paint in a spy movie, but I've no recollection of which spy movie.

Covering a turtle or tortoise's shell completely with paint is a good way to shorten it's life, as well.

 

[ShellyTurtlesCats]

I agree with everything sibi has said! 100%.

 

[kirby2591]

The actress was a lady from 007 Golden eye

 

[Baoh]

RE: So sad

Anyone who takes the position that there's no harm in applying paint/nail polish on the scutes or growth lines of tortoises is rather naive and callous. The message you convey is that it's okay to paint your tort while not recommending it. It's an abuse of the husbandry of the animal. If a dog or cat owner painted the face or body of their animal, it would constitute abuse. That's where the outrage should be. Yet, you keep defending the position that there's no harm in such action. What about the people who read your position and reason, "well, he's a 'scientist,' he should know;" it's okay to paint their animals for the holidays or Halloween. Let's see how the members feel about that.

Anyone who takes a position of automatic harm is fear-mongering and trying to impose his or her own will on the lives of others without considering that it may not be a stance with an absolute outcome.

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I have a vague recollection of a movie star years ago that had to be painted head to toe in gold paint for a movie. If memory serves, the star got very sick from the paint, and the powers that be learned from that that there are certain types of paint that can and can't be used to cover the whole body.

Seems to me it would be the same with turtles/tortoises.

If anyone would like to debate this issue, Sibi has started a debate thread:

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-78043.html

If only tortoise dermal anatomy was the same as human dermal anatomy, but it is not. Otherwise, all things fine for us would be fine for them and the reverse also true. Skin ailments would also be identical, but they are not. Not too many tortoises running around with hair, acne vulgaris, or sweating up a storm.

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I have a vague recollection of a movie star years ago that had to be painted head to toe in gold paint for a movie. If memory serves, the star got very sick from the paint, and the powers that be learned from that that there are certain types of paint that can and can't be used to cover the whole body.

Seems to me it would be the same with turtles/tortoises.

If anyone would like to debate this issue, Sibi has started a debate thread:

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-78043.html

That was Buddy Ebsen (Jed Clampett, Barnaby Jones, etc.) when he was supposed to be The Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz...VERY allergic reaction to the aluminum dust over the body paint.

Seems I heard of an actress who died from being covered with body paint in a spy movie, but I've no recollection of which spy movie.

Covering a turtle or tortoise's shell completely with paint is a good way to shorten it's life, as well.

Reference?

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

The actress was a lady from 007 Golden eye

Close, Goldfinger.

And simply a myth: http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/goldfinger.asp

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Anyone who takes the position that there's no harm in applying paint/nail polish on the scutes or growth lines of tortoises is rather naive and callous. The message you convey is that it's okay to paint your tort while not recommending it. It's an abuse of the husbandry of the animal. If a dog or cat owner painted the face or body of their animal, it would constitute abuse. That's where the outrage should be. Yet, you keep defending the position that there's no harm in such action. What about the people who read your position and reason, "well, he's a 'scientist,' he should know;" it's okay to paint their animals for the holidays or Halloween. Let's see how the members feel about that.

Anyone who takes a position of automatic harm is fear-mongering and trying to impose his or her own will on the lives of others without considering that it may not be a stance with an absolute outcome.

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I have a vague recollection of a movie star years ago that had to be painted head to toe in gold paint for a movie. If memory serves, the star got very sick from the paint, and the powers that be learned from that that there are certain types of paint that can and can't be used to cover the whole body.

Seems to me it would be the same with turtles/tortoises.

If anyone would like to debate this issue, Sibi has started a debate thread:

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-78043.html

If only tortoise dermal anatomy was the same as human dermal anatomy, but it is not. Otherwise, all things fine for us would be fine for them and the reverse also true. Skin ailments would also be identical, but they are not. Not too many tortoises running around with hair, acne vulgaris, or sweating up a storm.

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I have a vague recollection of a movie star years ago that had to be painted head to toe in gold paint for a movie. If memory serves, the star got very sick from the paint, and the powers that be learned from that that there are certain types of paint that can and can't be used to cover the whole body.

Seems to me it would be the same with turtles/tortoises.

If anyone would like to debate this issue, Sibi has started a debate thread:

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-78043.html

That was Buddy Ebsen (Jed Clampett, Barnaby Jones, etc.) when he was supposed to be The Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz...VERY allergic reaction to the aluminum dust over the body paint.

Seems I heard of an actress who died from being covered with body paint in a spy movie, but I've no recollection of which spy movie.

Covering a turtle or tortoise's shell completely with paint is a good way to shorten it's life, as well.

Reference?

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http://kamekroten.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/never-paint-a-turtle/

 

[ShellyTurtlesCats]

Turtles absorb through their skin and shell. Anything you put on the shell will either block air, or be absorbed. Enjoy your turtle with the 'paint job' NATURE put on it.

 

[sibi]

THANK YOU TERRY. Baoh, there's your reference. Case closed.

 

[Baoh]

http://kamekroten.wordpress.com/2013/07/21/never-paint-a-turtle/

Do you understand the difference between an actual reference worthy of citation and considered technically valid versus any random person's opinion? Something peer-reviewed? Seems not.

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Turtles absorb through their skin and shell. Anything you put on the shell will either block air, or be absorbed. Enjoy your turtle with the 'paint job' NATURE put on it.

Do they?

Anything? You should publish this.

 

[Jacqui]

Okay once more this is NOT a debate thread, from this point on all debating comments will be deleted.

 

[Jacqui]

This is where to carry on the debates on this subject...

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread-78043.html

 

[Irish]

RE: So sad

She sounds like a kid that wants attention and means no harm. Five years is a good amount of time to care for a pet for a child, and that implies some attachment on her part. Yet, we know how responsible most kids are. Likely the parents are taking care of it. We don't have much to go on as to their level of competence. I just do not like the iceberg lettuce, even as a treat. It suggests an overall lack of knowledge.

But on who's part?

The child's and the parent's both. Should the child get a free pass for her ignorance? In my opinion, no. But in reality, we often let kids slide on issues of responsibility. The parent? In the case of animal abuse, the parent is the responsibly party, and pleading ignorant would no lessen their part. Both are to blame. Society? Yeah, we can blame them too.