The Quads!

Amanda81

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How big is their enclosure. At their size...you would need (at least) an 8 x 8...but it's not even November yet! I'm hoping this is a night enclosure...
because anything cramped could cause Marv to become aggressive towards both! He hung out with Monstro A LOT...and that could have a profound effect on him if conditions were to change too drastically. Please follow up. @Tom ...he has ALL the other Sudans so he should chime in here too with his observations...
@JennBell0725 we need to know if anything significant is going on with your three as well
How big is their enclosure. At their size...you would need (at least) an 8 x 8...but it's not even November yet! I'm hoping this is a night enclosure...
because anything cramped could cause Marv to become aggressive towards both! He hung out with Monstro A LOT...and that could have a profound effect on him if conditions were to change too drastically. Please follow up. @Tom ...he has ALL the other Sudans so he should chime in here too with his observations...
@JennBell0725 we need to know if anything significant is going on with your three as well
The Sudans are great! They really don't have an enclosure, in the AM when they come out their nite box they go in the yard (completely secure) for the day. They do as they please all day. The only issue I have had was peewee decided he wanted to see how my koi live and he started climbing the rock to my koi pond, easy fix, I fenced it off so they can't get to it. So they run the yard all day, usually they all go their own directions but from time to time they will hang together. When I catch them together I watch them, I watch for any signs of bullying, they do fine. No one is biting, ramming, no head bobbing (heard on tv that's a territorial movement in wild tortoises) nothing, they always eat their mazuri/vitamin/calcium mixture together, I just put out one big pile and they share fine. I have gathered weeds and piled on one their concrete slabs every morning for the last couple mornings and they share that fine as well. In the evening, when they start slowing down, usually I catch one kinda digging in a corner, I know it's bedtime and I put them over in the quads outside enclosure, where their nite box is, they usually go straight to their box. Usually single file line, one at a time, I watch 1 tortoise butt disappear at a time. No problems. Now last week I did rotate them, one day I would put one of them in the quads outside enclosure for the day. They were eating all clover and nothing else so I wanted to kinda control what they had access to. I only put one if them in at a time and it's 8'x12'. I am working on converting an old yard barn into their permanent "winter" house. I have really studied those on here, Yvonne or Maggie (can't remember which) had some great pics of hers and from what she describes her weather is worse then mine so it should work well for them. They do fine together in their box but I still plan on watching them for the first little bit when they start using their shed, if I need to section it off, I will. I also got Marv face all trimmed up. He seems much happier now when he eats. Nothing is hung, aggravating him. Lol. He gobbles the stuff down. He literally is like a machine when it comes to his grass and weeds. Just to help him keep his face trimmed down I give them a big pile of weeds every morning on their concrete slab plus their supplement/mazuri mixture twice a week. They do hate their soaks tho. The whole time all three are attempting to get out. Marv rarely messes up his water but the two smaller ones, lord the turds I scoop out. Lol. But all in all they r good. They seem happy and Marv actually follows me around a lot, will eat from my hand now, he even let me rub on him for a good long while today without pulling his head back from me, I think we are making progress on that subject!!
 

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So it's been about 5 months since I got the quads. Thought I would do an update on them. Callie and Vanilla came from lancecham here on the forum and Alfie and Arizona came from Richard Fife. Over the last 5 months I have done adjustments to enclosures, changed enclosure, substrate, lighting and heating set ups, humid hides, and feeding stations. It's took a lot of work and patience. I spend a lot of time with the quads, trying to get them use to me. Arizona is pretty friendly and has an outstanding personality when it comes to human contact. Callie doesn't really react. Vanilla sucks up in her shell and refuses to come out till you put her back down. Alfie will pretend that he wants to be picked up but the minute you do he starts running backwards. They do rather well swimming in the sink on their swim day. They are healthy and happy. They eat a varied diet, get their daily soaks, multivitamin and calcium w vitamin d3 supplement twice a week, Mazuri every evening (I just started this when a lot of their weeds and grasses disappeared with the cold weather) when spring rolls back around and the grass and weeds are available the Mazuri will be fed only twice daily.
Here's some pics to show their growth.
This is Callie, she is my biggest one. She weighted 58g and was 2.25" when I got her in July. She is now 180g and 3.5".
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This is Vanilla. She weighted 57g and was 2.25" when I got her in July and she is now 120g and 3".
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This is Alfie. He was 44g and 2", he is now 105g and 2.75". I have noticed that he has a higher dome she'll then the others and of course he has a extra/split scute on his little cute butt.
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This is Arizona. She was 37g and 1.75", she is now 98g and 2.75". Her shell is more flat looking, when she is decides to walk real tall she looks like a little tank. I have also noticed that her shell is a little different then the rest where her split/extra scute are, it looks like the part of shell that has normal scute has grown and the part that has the split scute didn't or something.
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WOW!!!! Your babies are STUNNING!!!:):):) The dots on Alfie's scutes make him look like a leopard!
 

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Thank you. I try very hard to do the best for them. I follow Tom's care sheet, adjusting s few details for my climate. Alfie has always had that dark color and unique scute pattern. I got Alfie and Arizona both die to their patterns.
 

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I thought I would do a little update on the quads. This was our first winter and we made it through. We are actually getting a day here and there that we get to go outside and get some real sunshine. I have noticed that the quads are actually eating grass now when we go outside. I worried through the winter months about their diet not being enough since the weeds and grass was gone but they all gained weight and stayed active so I guess I did ok.

This is Callie. She isn't exactly the camera type. She runs her enclosure like she's a queen but you take her out of her enclosure and she turns into a shell with legs. She is currently 316grams and 4.5"
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This is Vanilla. She has done great all winter but over the last month I have noticed she isn't as active as usual, she isn't as vigorous about eating as usual, she is loosing weight. I don't see any bubbles or mouth breathing but something is going on. She is currently 177grams and 4".
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This is Alfie. Alfie is my goof ball. Each morning he comes out his hide and climbs into his water dish, soaks himself for a little bit, takes a poo, and then straight up wrecks his enclosure. His water dish looks like a mud hole, he will put his head in his shell and run into things until he has knocked them over, moved them around, he drags his greens all over the enclosure, he climbs any and everything he can. He believes he should only have to eat Mazuri so we have stand offs for days with the greens, he finally gives in and eats the greens. When I am cleaning his enclosure or dropping food in he will put his head in his shell and run around, another shell with legs. If you pick him up he attempts to get away by running backwards. He is currently 233 grams and 3.75".
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This is Arizona. She is still the most personable one. She comes out of her hide in the morning, sits on her food station and waits for her morning rations. She makes eating look like a sport, she eats quick and shows no mercy to her food. I have to be careful when I hand feed her cause she will nip my fingers and it freakin hurts now. She has exploded with growth, she use to be my smallest hatchling and over the last 2 months she just took off, rapidly growing and gaining weight. She is 361grams and 4.5".
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Her shell is a little different around her split scute.
 

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You're going to have your hands full it sounds like. Good looking group. Glad to hear they are all doing well and thrived this winter.
 

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The Quads look great...really digging Arizona...seems like there's a character in every bunch! How about an update on the Sudans :D
 

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You're going to have your hands full it sounds like. Good looking group. Glad to hear they are all doing well and thrived this winter.

Yes my hands are full, very full. I have thought all winter about if I should thin them down since I will be adding an Aldabra to the mix so I might end up finding homes for the sulcatas.
 
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