We have a thread going on my ferret forum, about turtles. Go figure! Anyhow, one of the members has a large pond nearby with turtles in it that he photographs often. There's a new one that a friend of his has ID'd as a red ear slider without the red. I don't think that's the case. It isn't so much the lack of red marks as the shape, color and placement of his eyes that has me thinking this isn't a slider. Mud variety maybe? Anyhow, can you experts take a look and see what you think s/he is. Thanks!