What is this symptom?

heobrid

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hello.
The top of my sulcata eyes turned white. Another eye is underway. What is this symptom and how should I treat it? Help!
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I can't see the pic either. How big is your sully? Is the eye or eye lid? What is the humidity? What kind of lighting and heat are you using?
 

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@Yvonne G
How close is the bulbs/heat from the tort? Inches.
Can you post a pic of the enclosure?
My first guess would be the light/heat source is too close and drying/burning him. Second guess would be an infection of some sort. Hopefully Yvonne can clarify.
 

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My sulcata
humidity 70%, heating : philips spot : 9(am)~ 6(pm) automatic temperature regulator 87
night : CHE 80

I've never experienced that problem before.

You shouldn't be using a spot bulb. Floods work much better. Your basking lamp also needs to be on for 12 hours a day.

Are you using any sort of UV? Coil type bulb maybe?
 

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I've never experienced that problem before.

You shouldn't be using a spot bulb. Floods work much better. Your basking lamp also needs to be on for 12 hours a day.

Are you using any sort of UV? Coil type bulb maybe?

Thank you for answer. Should I change the spot bulb? Should I replace it with a reptile spot?
We are using Philips Spot 60w, UV is using a stick-type Acadia company.
It is a closed kennel, 3 sockets, left spot, center UV, right CHE is in use.
The spot is the temperature setting, the day average temperature is 84, and the night average temperature is 78. Humidity is maintained at 70%. The size of the kennel is 1400mm x 550mm x 450mm high.

The substrate is zoomed reptibarks and about a third of hay is being used.

How can I keep the environment and my health?
 

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heobrid said
How can I keep the environment and my health?

I think that you are not in danger.
If you want to be safe please wash your hands after you have worked in the terrarium of your tortoise.
Could there be any mold in the enclosure of your tort ? Mayby the hay you use ? I am no vet but the eye of the tort looks like she has a mold infection.
Did the tort scrub her eyes with her legs ?
 

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I have found something about eye infections of tortoises. Hope it will help you.

Eye infections:
Infections usually respond to treatment with either Genoptic (gentamycin) eye drops or terracortril eye suspension. Mild cases respond to Neomycin or Chloramphenicol eye ointment. Where you see severely swollen eyelids there is usually a primary bacterial infection in which case a course of antibiotics will be essential. Some eye problems are simply an indication of vitamn A deficiency. Supply vitamin A and use a mild eye ointment, if the condition does not respond fairly quickly get veterinary help.
 

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I have found something about eye infections of tortoises. Hope it will help you.

Eye infections:
Infections usually respond to treatment with either Genoptic (gentamycin) eye drops or terracortril eye suspension. Mild cases respond to Neomycin or Chloramphenicol eye ointment. Where you see severely swollen eyelids there is usually a primary bacterial infection in which case a course of antibiotics will be essential. Some eye problems are simply an indication of vitamn A deficiency. Supply vitamin A and use a mild eye ointment, if the condition does not respond fairly quickly get veterinary help.

Thank you for answer.
In fact, I've been using the teramycin ointment for several days.
But, it does not get better, and the cause is unknown. T_T

I think I should go to the hospital.
 

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heobrid said
Thank you for answer.
In fact, I've been using the teramycin ointment for several days.
But, it does not get better, and the cause is unknown. T_T

I think I should go to the hospital.

Was your teramycin ointment new ?
If the ointment has been opened for an extended period of time, it loses its effect and it can not get better.
Taking your tort to a vet is a good idea.
 

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Thank you for answer. Should I change the spot bulb? Should I replace it with a reptile spot?
We are using Philips Spot 60w, UV is using a stick-type Acadia company.
It is a closed kennel, 3 sockets, left spot, center UV, right CHE is in use.
The spot is the temperature setting, the day average temperature is 84, and the night average temperature is 78. Humidity is maintained at 70%. The size of the kennel is 1400mm x 550mm x 450mm high.

The substrate is zoomed reptibarks and about a third of hay is being used.

How can I keep the environment and my health?

Sounds like your temperatures are not nearly warm enough.

You should not use a "spot" bulb of any kind. You should use a "flood" bulb of the correct wattage to get a basking area directly under the bulb of around 100 degrees.

Treating the symptoms you see in the eyes without first addressing and correcting the cause of this issue will be futile.

Please read these:
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread...iseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/for-those-who-have-a-young-sulcata.76744/
 

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Seeing a Vet is a positive action to take. Also, set up a "hospital tank" for your tortoise to eliminate the possibility that something from the substrate is a cause. Specifically, I would get all the hay out of the moist substrate. Moist hay will mold, sometimes quickly. Use moist paper towels for a substrate until you have resolution on the cause of this problem.
 

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That looks like the outer layer of hard skin has sloughed off. For what reason? Who knows. All I can tell you is it isn't right and I've never seen that before.
 

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Sounds like your temperatures are not nearly warm enough.

You should not use a "spot" bulb of any kind. You should use a "flood" bulb of the correct wattage to get a basking area directly under the bulb of around 100 degrees.

Treating the symptoms you see in the eyes without first addressing and correcting the cause of this issue will be futile.

Please read these:
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread...iseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/for-those-who-have-a-young-sulcata.76744/

I've often seen TOM's article. The climate here is very cold in winter, so we use a close chamber. I read it very carefully, but I have an answer. Is the basking spot spot always on for 12 hours? Is not it connected to thermostat?
And what is a floods spot? Are you referring to a spot lamp for reptiles?

Ah ~ And how many watts is your spot lamp?

I attach photograph of my breeding environment. Please let me know what you need to supplement. I want to grow a land turtle healthy. Please help me!

Spot bottom temperature 95 ~ 100, day average temperature 85, night average temperature 80

The temperature of the picture is in degrees Celsius.
Sounds like your temperatures are not nearly warm enough.

You should not use a "spot" bulb of any kind. You should use a "flood" bulb of the correct wattage to get a basking area directly under the bulb of around 100 degrees.

Treating the symptoms you see in the eyes without first addressing and correcting the cause of this issue will be futile.

Please read these:
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread...iseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/beginner-mistakes.45180/
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/for-those-who-have-a-young-sulcata.76744/


Thank you. I've seen a lot of articles from TOM often.
I have a few questions. Do you always turn on the basking spot without turning it off for 12 hours every day? And how many watts does the light bulb use? How many watts is appropriate in my kennel? And what do you mean by the floods spot? Are you referring to a regular spot lamp from a reptile shop?

I attached a photo of my breeding environment. Please see what is wrong. And please tell me what you need to improve.
Temperatures are in degrees Celsius, below basking spot is 95-100 day average temperature 85 night average temperature 80.
I want to keep the land turtle healthy. Please help me!

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@Yvonne G
How close is the bulbs/heat from the tort? Inches.
Can you post a pic of the enclosure?
My first guess would be the light/heat source is too close and drying/burning him. Second guess would be an infection of some sort. Hopefully Yvonne can clarify.


Thank you for answer
I would appreciate your advice.

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Please remove as soon as possible the whole soil in the enclosure of your tortoise. Does the hay smells musty ?
I know from my horses how quickly moist hay molds.
An infection with mold fungi could kill your tort. If the mold fungi gets into the lung of your tortoise.
 

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I wouldn't remove ALL the substrate, just the hay.

It looks like you have a fluorescent tube and a spot light. I'm not sure but I think I also see a black Ceramic Heat Emitter. All of that is ok, far as I'm concerned.

I really don't know what has caused the hard outer layer of skin around the eye to come off, but it probably is pretty uncomfortable for him.

Oh no! I've just had a re-look at your pictures - In the last picture I see a really big no no! You have an adult Russian tortoise in with a baby sulcata. So many things wrong with this. And NOW I am almost positive I know what happened to your baby's eye. That Russian has bitten off the skin.

1. Never mix species
2. Never put an adult with a baby

Russian tortoises are gathered up by the hundreds and piled up on top of each other in large bins waiting for export. They are dirty. They sit in each others pee and poop and exchange all kinds of disease and microorganisms. You have put your baby in harms way. That Russian tortoise needs his own habitat. Now that I see the two tortoises, my advice is to get a whole new container and start from scratch with that baby sulcata, going by Tom's advice on how to set up the baby.

Hopefully the sulcata hasn't contracted any life threatening disease, and by putting him by himself, the skin will grow back around the eyes.
 
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Good catch, Yvonne. The russian is much more mature and undoubtedly more aggressive than that baby sulcata.
 

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