ALBINO -PARDALIS PARDALIS LEOPARD

[EricIvins]

I think these animals have been offered to everyone and their brother in the US, Europe, and Japan.......However, these pictures look similiar to ones that were circulated a few years ago.......

Tanzanian Farms produce Albinos/Hypos/Leucistics every year......We will never see them untill someone either produces one domestically, whether legal or not........

 

[wellington]

Millie is gone along with the lepracutta's ...

That's funny! Cuz the guy that bought Aladar has a GREAT degree of success with lepracatas! I'd die if they were in the same place! Could you imagine an Ivory X high white leopard?

Thats would be awesome! ......They are still in the state close by and in very good hands ..... a wild story to boot ...but thats another day ..

ANYHOW ...
here are the bino' Leo's

and parting with any favo's is a ruff and tuff event .....I'm still healing- why I havn't mentioned it nor talk about it .

Sorry, didn't mean to give you a hard time, if I'd have known:shy:

 

[Baoh]

I remember seeing photos on the internet of a group of juvenile leucistic pardalis some years back, supposedly based in Europe.

I do not know where the following leucistic animal is/was located, but I happened to find the photo on KS.

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/117896100_1777.jpg

I might buy into a leucistic pardalis project if I had the opportunity. Albinos are not quite right for my personal situation and preferences, though.

 

[jtrux]

Based solely on looks, i'm not nearly as fond of the leucistic or albino leopards as I am of the ivory sulcatas.

 

[Baoh]

Based solely on looks, i'm not nearly as fond of the leucistic or albino leopards as I am of the ivory sulcatas.

Likewise. A huge part of the leopard interest relates to pattern or at least some sort of color. With the sulcata, the leucism (ivory) is generally not knocking out an elaborate pattern. Still, there are those I keep and breed because I am fond of their look and there are those I keep and breed because they provide a supply to satisfy a market demand. I like Gpp as they are. I do not care very much either way about sunset hypos. However, if there are people who want sunset hypos and want to pay a premium for them, I am happy to facilitate this so that we both win in the exchange. That is why I have Gpp het for that trait as opposed to just getting myself some more conservatively priced normal Gpp.

 

[immayo]

I think rare/odd colors are awesome! But anything with red eyes CREEPS ME OUT!! haha

 

[yagyujubei]

I'm somewhat surprised that I have only seen two examples of Sunset Hypos. I would think that there should be pictures galore, but none seem to exist. Has wanda actually hatched anything other than hets? There should be many hets which are of breeding size out there. I would expect a search to find many examples.

Based solely on looks, i'm not nearly as fond of the leucistic or albino leopards as I am of the ivory sulcatas.

Likewise. A huge part of the leopard interest relates to pattern or at least some sort of color. With the sulcata, the leucism (ivory) is generally not knocking out an elaborate pattern. Still, there are those I keep and breed because I am fond of their look and there are those I keep and breed because they provide a supply to satisfy a market demand. I like Gpp as they are. I do not care very much either way about sunset hypos. However, if there are people who want sunset hypos and want to pay a premium for them, I am happy to facilitate this so that we both win in the exchange. That is why I have Gpp het for that trait as opposed to just getting myself some more conservatively priced normal Gpp.

 

[Baoh]

I'm somewhat surprised that I have only seen two examples of Sunset Hypos. I would think that there should be pictures galore, but none seem to exist. Has wanda actually hatched anything other than hets? There should be many hets which are of breeding size out there. I would expect a search to find many examples.

Based solely on looks, i'm not nearly as fond of the leucistic or albino leopards as I am of the ivory sulcatas.

Likewise. A huge part of the leopard interest relates to pattern or at least some sort of color. With the sulcata, the leucism (ivory) is generally not knocking out an elaborate pattern. Still, there are those I keep and breed because I am fond of their look and there are those I keep and breed because they provide a supply to satisfy a market demand. I like Gpp as they are. I do not care very much either way about sunset hypos. However, if there are people who want sunset hypos and want to pay a premium for them, I am happy to facilitate this so that we both win in the exchange. That is why I have Gpp het for that trait as opposed to just getting myself some more conservatively priced normal Gpp.

Other than the dam, I have only seen the one from het to het breeding and that one was said to have been produced by a customer of Wanda's. I was told it was sold for a good bit (like 20k) and possibly was sent to Asia, but I was wondering about the same before. She mainly produces and sells her hets, but I do not know the full extent of how many she may be holding back. The oldest adult (two male) hets I have seen went to Arizona Tortoise Compound from Joe I in FL, but I do not know where they were prior to that. ATC also has at least one nice female het.

I have bought several of the hets, but most have turned out to be male, so I have been selling most of them off. One awesome one flipped itself in a freak accident and died, which was a shame, but most have been resold. Most I have been able to keep track of have done well. At least one did not and died months after the sale. Not sure why, but the new owner had trouble with its eating habits after leaving my care. It was kept dry for a long time after the transfer, but the new owner switched things up to moist immediately after I sent her some suggestions, so I cannot determine/assign a cause with the information I have.

I have four hets left, two of which I may eventually resell. One is not a very robust animal and has always seemed this way since I received it (smaller than normal and has several unusually fused carapace scutes, so I am concerned about the internal anatomy as well), so I will probably have to hold onto it for a long time because I do not feel comfortable selling such a high-end animal in anything other than stellar shape (this is the one that was getting progressively worse because it was over-consuming spinach). The other is flawless, robust, and has become a heavy eater as time has passed. I will probably sell it once the weather becomes safer to ship.

That will leave me one male het and one female het remaining to propel the project. I would have preferred a 1.2 trio, but the vast majority have ended up being male, so that was not in the cards and I do not want to put any greater amount of money into the project than I already have. While I have derived enough from resales to make up for the one flip-related death and still come out well into the black, I am growing tired of having money "suspended" in the form of an animal instead of having better liquidity.

 

[yagyujubei]

As far as I know, the father of your hybrid was from wanda, and he's good sized. You would think that wanda would have several grown het females, and should be producing many full color hatchlings every year. I would think that the japanese market would be very strong for these, but no info at all from owners on asian sites. If I hadn't seen a picture of one juvenile, I'm not sure if I would even believe that this trait is inheritable. I am suspicious by nature, though.

I'm somewhat surprised that I have only seen two examples of Sunset Hypos. I would think that there should be pictures galore, but none seem to exist. Has wanda actually hatched anything other than hets? There should be many hets which are of breeding size out there. I would expect a search to find many examples.

Based solely on looks, i'm not nearly as fond of the leucistic or albino leopards as I am of the ivory sulcatas.

Likewise. A huge part of the leopard interest relates to pattern or at least some sort of color. With the sulcata, the leucism (ivory) is generally not knocking out an elaborate pattern. Still, there are those I keep and breed because I am fond of their look and there are those I keep and breed because they provide a supply to satisfy a market demand. I like Gpp as they are. I do not care very much either way about sunset hypos. However, if there are people who want sunset hypos and want to pay a premium for them, I am happy to facilitate this so that we both win in the exchange. That is why I have Gpp het for that trait as opposed to just getting myself some more conservatively priced normal Gpp.

Other than the dam, I have only seen the one from het to het breeding and that one was said to have been produced by a customer of Wanda's. I was told it was sold for a good bit (like 20k) and possibly was sent to Asia, but I was wondering about the same before. She mainly produces and sells her hets, but I do not know the full extent of how many she may be holding back. The oldest adult (two male) hets I have seen went to Arizona Tortoise Compound from Joe I in FL, but I do not know where they were prior to that. ATC also has at least one nice female het.

I have bought several of the hets, but most have turned out to be male, so I have been selling most of them off. One awesome one flipped itself in a freak accident and died, which was a shame, but most have been resold. Most I have been able to keep track of have done well. At least one did not and died months after the sale. Not sure why, but the new owner had trouble with its eating habits after leaving my care. It was kept dry for a long time after the transfer, but the new owner switched things up to moist immediately after I sent her some suggestions, so I cannot determine/assign a cause with the information I have.

I have four hets left, two of which I may eventually resell. One is not a very robust animal and has always seemed this way since I received it (smaller than normal and has several unusually fused carapace scutes, so I am concerned about the internal anatomy as well), so I will probably have to hold onto it for a long time because I do not feel comfortable selling such a high-end animal in anything other than stellar shape (this is the one that was getting progressively worse because it was over-consuming spinach). The other is flawless, robust, and has become a heavy eater as time has passed. I will probably sell it once the weather becomes safer to ship.

That will leave me one male het and one female het remaining to propel the project. I would have preferred a 1.2 trio, but the vast majority have ended up being male, so that was not in the cards and I do not want to put any greater amount of money into the project than I already have. While I have derived enough from resales to make up for the one flip-related death and still come out well into the black, I am growing tired of having money "suspended" in the form of an animal instead of having better liquidity.

 

[jtrux]

I'm just not in the loop I guess but why do soo many animals end up in the Asian market? Is there a strong trend towards owning tortoises over there or what?

 

[yagyujubei]

There are many enthusiasts there. Turtles and tortoises are considered good fortune. Plus they've got a lot of money.

I'm just not in the loop I guess but why do soo many animals end up in the Asian market? Is there a strong trend towards owning tortoises over there or what?

 

[Neal]

From what I hear, the US sends A LOT of pardalis over to Asia. I would imagine a good amount of sulcatas end up there too.

 

[EricIvins]

From what I hear, the US sends A LOT of pardalis over to Asia. I would imagine a good amount of sulcatas end up there too.

I wouldn't necessarily say alot........I'm now in the 6th month of waiting for an Export Permit for Sulcatas. Something so simple that takes weeks in any other Country takes months here. There are some Breeders and Exporters that are set up with a master file, but they are few and far between........


As far as Asia and Tortoises go - The Pet trade is in the BILLIONS of dollars over there. The cultural revolution has started so the focus isn't necessarily on consuming Chelonians any more, but keeping them as "Pets". The higher end or extremely rare animals are a reflection of your status, so the one with the most expensive or rare collections wins.......This goes with Mammals, Reptiles, Birds, Fish, etc.......

Right now demand is 300X what the supply is. However, China will be able to supply itself in the next 10 years or so exclusively......They can already supply the staple Pet Trade Turtles from 5 or 6 Farms that were setup only a short time ago.........

 

[Baoh]

You are correct. The sire of my hybrid is one of the hets from Wanda. While males reach breeding size/age earlier, there still should be some breedable female hets by now if enough hets were produced unless luck is such that there were very few actual females (I have had only around one out of something like eight animals over a couple years or so). I would have expected more homozygous offspring by now, too. I maintain a healthy sense of skepticism as well. At worst, I will have overly expensive, but nice looking, Gpp adults out of it. A few hatchlings from them can make up the difference, so while the project as a morph generator could certainly still be a failure, the Gpp generation would be a decent consolation prize for me. Especially my little female. She is very dense and I am fond of her.

As far as I know, the father of your hybrid was from wanda, and he's good sized. You would think that wanda would have several grown het females, and should be producing many full color hatchlings every year. I would think that the japanese market would be very strong for these, but no info at all from owners on asian sites. If I hadn't seen a picture of one juvenile, I'm not sure if I would even believe that this trait is inheritable. I am suspicious by nature, though.

I'm somewhat surprised that I have only seen two examples of Sunset Hypos. I would think that there should be pictures galore, but none seem to exist. Has wanda actually hatched anything other than hets? There should be many hets which are of breeding size out there. I would expect a search to find many examples.

Based solely on looks, i'm not nearly as fond of the leucistic or albino leopards as I am of the ivory sulcatas.

Likewise. A huge part of the leopard interest relates to pattern or at least some sort of color. With the sulcata, the leucism (ivory) is generally not knocking out an elaborate pattern. Still, there are those I keep and breed because I am fond of their look and there are those I keep and breed because they provide a supply to satisfy a market demand. I like Gpp as they are. I do not care very much either way about sunset hypos. However, if there are people who want sunset hypos and want to pay a premium for them, I am happy to facilitate this so that we both win in the exchange. That is why I have Gpp het for that trait as opposed to just getting myself some more conservatively priced normal Gpp.

Other than the dam, I have only seen the one from het to het breeding and that one was said to have been produced by a customer of Wanda's. I was told it was sold for a good bit (like 20k) and possibly was sent to Asia, but I was wondering about the same before. She mainly produces and sells her hets, but I do not know the full extent of how many she may be holding back. The oldest adult (two male) hets I have seen went to Arizona Tortoise Compound from Joe I in FL, but I do not know where they were prior to that. ATC also has at least one nice female het.

I have bought several of the hets, but most have turned out to be male, so I have been selling most of them off. One awesome one flipped itself in a freak accident and died, which was a shame, but most have been resold. Most I have been able to keep track of have done well. At least one did not and died months after the sale. Not sure why, but the new owner had trouble with its eating habits after leaving my care. It was kept dry for a long time after the transfer, but the new owner switched things up to moist immediately after I sent her some suggestions, so I cannot determine/assign a cause with the information I have.

I have four hets left, two of which I may eventually resell. One is not a very robust animal and has always seemed this way since I received it (smaller than normal and has several unusually fused carapace scutes, so I am concerned about the internal anatomy as well), so I will probably have to hold onto it for a long time because I do not feel comfortable selling such a high-end animal in anything other than stellar shape (this is the one that was getting progressively worse because it was over-consuming spinach). The other is flawless, robust, and has become a heavy eater as time has passed. I will probably sell it once the weather becomes safer to ship.

That will leave me one male het and one female het remaining to propel the project. I would have preferred a 1.2 trio, but the vast majority have ended up being male, so that was not in the cards and I do not want to put any greater amount of money into the project than I already have. While I have derived enough from resales to make up for the one flip-related death and still come out well into the black, I am growing tired of having money "suspended" in the form of an animal instead of having better liquidity.

 

[Yellow Turtle]

In my country, imported torts and turtles coming from US, Europe and China. For China so far I only see turtles coming from there.
US mostly exports turtles, sulcata and pardalis, but we have several breeders of sulcata here for now.
Europe sends all the exotic torts species.
Please see the link below. It's a yesterday advertisement and we sometime have some very nice torts and turtles imported to our country
http://www.reptilx.com/forum/showth...-(SUPER-RARE!!)-Aldabra-Pardalis-pardalis-etc

 

[yagyujubei]

WOW! I can see several on there that I would love to have. Somalian Leopard and those stars. Thanks for the post.

In my country, imported torts and turtles coming from US, Europe and China. For China so far I only see turtles coming from there.
US mostly exports turtles, sulcata and pardalis, but we have several breeders of sulcata here for now.
Europe sends all the exotic torts species.
Please see the link below. It's a yesterday advertisement and we sometime have some very nice torts and turtles imported to our country
http://www.reptilx.com/forum/showth...-(SUPER-RARE!!)-Aldabra-Pardalis-pardalis-etc

 

[Yellow Turtle]

WOW! I can see several on there that I would love to have. Somalian Leopard and those stars. Thanks for the post.

I'm a bit late as well for that. All are sold out!!

Somalian and angulata is the one I really want to get.

You are welcome