Another Hermanni sex and sub species for confirmation

[CaptainGinko]

Hi, I have 2 Hermanns. I believe they are both Eastern one is male approx. 13 years named Dhab (from hatchling) and Dot a female approximately 10years old (purchased at 3 years old). At the time of aquistion they were both too young to know anything for sure so I would like a confirmation or second/third opinion. Here are some pics.

First 2 pics is the 13yo assumed male.
Second 2 pics is the 10 year old female.

Never thought about breeding but getting ready to put them outside for the summer so thinking about spring and all the comes with it.

I have not hibernated them ever. So they may not go for it but Dhab is all over my girl Dot. That being said there may be no fruit for his labor or labor for her fruit. I have been creeping these and other forums for years and appreciate all the help and reading.

Male Dhab 13 years Eastern Hermann Shell and bottom:
Female Dot 10 years Eastern Hermann Shell and bottom:

If anyone can confirm/deny/best guess on any of my info please chime in. Thanks in advance.

I could be totally out of it but I know for sure they are tortoises!

~d

CapG

 

[Yvonne G]

Hi, and welcome!!

I'll send a shout-out to @HermanniChris as he's very good at I.D.ing the Hermanni species

 

[HermanniChris]

Wonderful tortoises. You're right, both easterns but without a doubt, they are both males. Watch out for fighting. It absolutely does not always happen, but it can. Fighting is 100% healthy and promotes naturalistic behavior, but only within a well-managed breeding colony and with "time out pens" available at all times.

 

[SarahChelonoidis]

You've posted the same plastron twice. Do you have one showing the suspected female?

 

[HermanniChris]

You've posted the same plastron twice. Do you have one showing the suspected female?

Good eye...I just noticed that too.

 

[CaptainGinko]

Above is the missing plastron. This is Dhab, the one I though was male.

Here is an updated picture of the suspected female.This is the plastron originally posted twice. It is now colour coded to match the dot on her shell.

I do admit now that I have examined and reexamined they both do look the same. Male is a little bigger.


There is no real fighting just chasing by the male. They do have a large 36 X 60 inch table with hides. And if I think they need some separate time I have a divider or I just let them run around the house.

They will be going to the balcony from beginning of May to Mid Sep. or so. Its about 5 feet by 25 feet. Full sun on half all day. Covering with straw.

ps. I couldn't figure out how to edit my original post. Any hints?

 

[GBtortoises]

Based on the latest plastral photos, as Chris said earlier, you still have two males!

 

[CaptainGinko]

Thanks everyone for all your help!

 

[HermanniChris]

Yep Gary is right. You still have two males without a doubt.