behavior question: reflection, exploration

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tortoisenerd

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Hi everyone!

My little tort was showing some new behavior today that confused me. He did way more exploring than I've ever seen him do (walked around his entire 8 sq ft enclosure, trying to climb up the walls, stare at the walls, and make a noise with his jaw while his throat seemed to puff up). The only change I've made very recently is his light got attached to the stand correctly with a clamp (thanks Meg!), so it's changed position a bit related to the height (I adjusted it to maintain the same basking temperature as before). It seems like he may be seeing his reflection in the grey plastic lining his tort table:

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I was thinking of filling it up more with substrate so the liner doesn't stick up so far. He's been digging down to the bottom anyways so this could be good. Does it sound like this could alleviate the chance he could be seeing himself in the plastic from the glare from his lamp?

Anyone know what the behavior is where he was making a noise with his jaw and breathing really heavy? He seemed to be chewing food but he had finished it earlier so there shouldn't have been food in his mouth.

Other than that he's been all sorts of active today and happily exploring all over. I've never seen him at the edges of his enclosure so much. He is usually pretty predictable with his grazing of food, basking, and naps (not so much walking around). Could he finally be testing the boundaries of his enclosure? It's definitely not too small for him... He actually tried to crawl up the wall which surprised me. He's always ignored the walls. Does this just mean he's settling in more?

Thanks...I still get the new tort baby worries so feel free just to tell me not too think too much into it. He's eating very well, gaining weight, growing, and even is getting stronger and a "better" eater as far as not missing the lettuce and being able to manage big pieces. He's sleeping under the heat emitter at night so he doesn't spend so much time basking first thing in the morning as well and goes straight for the food (letting him eat as much as he wants up to a certain amount, which he hasn't reached yet).
 

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I can not explain it, and for whatever it is worth, my 2 Male Russians have very similar behavior.

Tortoises do not really "chew" their food. They do not have teeth. They bite off mouth-sized portions, then swallow. Sometimes that get something too big to swallow, and they choke a bit, which almost sounds like what is happening with yours. The clicking noise can be a rather common problem of their upper and lower jaw not growing correctly, and when they bite into food, there is the clicking noise.

Without seeing your Tortoise in person, I can not say for sure that is what is happening. I am only telling you what I have expereinced personally with my Torts.
 

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Hi Kate, his exploring may be just that. He may finally be comfortable enough to explore. It is possible he is seeing something in the plastic or the height of the light may just be right now. Filling up to the top of the liner would be fine but may not make a difference. It is a Russians nature to climb and to dig deep. Yes he could be exploring his complete territory and once the boundaries are discovered what fun to find a way to expand them by climbing :) . As far as his jaw clicking or what appears to be chewing and heavy breathing. I would keep an eye on him and make sure he is not having any eating difficulties. Long walks and wall climbing is a form of increased activity and this could bring on heavy breathing. Sounds as if he is a happy, healthy, energetic tort to me. Awe watching them grow up and learn new things is so much fun.
Oh, and I like your enclosure.
 

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Thanks Robyn! I haven't heard the sound again and I believe he may have had some stuck food. He tends to be a heavy breather to begin with even when not stressed or tires, but it was a surprise to see how he was that time. Today in his bath he saw his reflection on the side of the cat litter pan he was in--really scared himself. I'll keep an eye on if the liner is still bugging him and raise the substrate if needed (might help him not dig all the way down too).

I'm glad you like the enclosure. It was a lot of work! No idea how you all with multiple torts do it because just the one little guy is like having a baby for me with the research, baths, special food, watching him, tracking growth, etc! It's kinda funny but getting a tort was more important to me than having kids right now, lol.

He's quite the digger. The aspen has been holding well and he has a couple tunnels that are semi-permanent now. I can see 6 inches straight down to the liner right now....He definitely prefers tunnels to any hides. He definitely can't climb his way out though...the walls are a little too high actually. Lately he's seemed so happy and energetic--I can't wait to see him in action outdoors some day.

Thanks again!

I thought of one more question: Will a tort always try to keep digging deeper (if they are the digging type), or do they stop at a certain point they are happy with? I'm just curious if I for example doubled the substrate height would be still dig to the bottom...hmm. I guess it's a little different for dirt since the looseness of it varies with depth.
 

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Made the substrate deeper today so I don't think there will be an issue with him seeing his reflection in the table liner anymore. I'm interested to see if he will still dig down to the bottom because it must be 7-8 inches deep and he's only 2 inches. He's up to 49 grams (from 43 last week). We're having a little dehydration/urates/stone issue but I'm trying not to worry until there is a reason to worry.

Today he was quite the explorer. He made it to every single part of his enclosure--tested out the climbing rocks, hid behind the driftwood, went in the log, walked over the cuttlebone, took a dip in the pool, climbed the hay pile to catch some rays and take a nap, and even nibbled at some hay. We figures out he was hungry when he was walking around everywhere, or at least that was my fiance's theory. He nibbled at hay and even tried to take a bite of aspen but didn't. He hadn't been too interested in breakfast but we left it out. As soon as I put some fresh greens out he went straight for them. Picky little guy. Usually he doesn't get to his breakfast until later in the day after I leave for work, so I come home to some wilted greens, and give him a snack of some fresh ones...he then acts like he hasn't seen food all day.

Today I realized he recognizes our faces. When I just stick my hand in it scares him, but if he can see my face first he is very calm about it (same with my fiance). He now looks up to see who it is when we say hello. So cute!
 

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Well if you were in So Cal I would say thee dehydration was the Santa Ana winds but in WA, who knows? Keep soaking , etc. It is probably a phase in the environmental humidity that is making things a little drier? I noticed when I am dry so are they.

Isn't it great that they recognize us and our faces. Doris and Fred were hatched 10/2007 and I see I definite recognition of me vs everyone else.

Dawna
 

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Yeah I'm a little puzzled about the situation. He kinda fit the symptoms of dehydration with the stone, slightly sunken in eyes, excessive urates. But, he's been getting water on his own, from his soaks, his food, and the environment isn't particularly dry...it's about 45% humidity in his enclosure even with the aspen bedding. I'm hoping it was a fluke from an odd diet combination and he's fine now.

Torts sure are surprising--I never thought he'd be so smart and personable.
 
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