DO RF's N CHERRYS MATE ?

[Madkins007]

i dont know why people are complaining about mixing the two maybe some people want to see new colours or even a new species made i would i have never seen red foots like that white one in canada you would never see that on the market and if you did it would be upwards of $1000 because plain red foots are $599

just my $0.06

I can understand your situation, although the reason for the high prices in Canada are political, not because there is a shortage of animals.

You are not going to get a new species from cross breeding. Even mules, one of the oldest crosses known, is not considered a species. It's scientific name is Equus asinus x caballus, reflecting its parentage.

New colors IS an exciting result of cross breeding, but every upside has a downside- increased incidence of bad genes, deformities, weaknesses, etc. as well as the concerns expressed by cdmay, etc.

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People involved in breeding or keeping reptiles (or pretty much any plant or animal) will never all agree on the issue of hybridization. For some, it is really cool, fun, beautiful, or profitable. For others, it is foolish, shortsighted, profiteering, inappropriate, etc.

There is also a middle ground in which cross breeding is done to create desirable characteristics apart from color morphs, such as Cavendish banana or Hass avocados. Some of these are happy accidents, others are the result of careful experimentation. Sadly, this category rarely seems to apply to reptile breeding.

 

[allegraf]

I myself do not believe in "mixing" the different types of redfoots with cherryheads, I would even go so far as to say I don't agree with mixing the different locales of the yellow headed redfoots, like breeding a Colombian with a Bolivian. I am a hobbyist breeder who is striving to produce the nice cherryhead tortoises. I am definitely not in it for the money. Cross breeding for mutations is also not my goal or one that I support, that would be like breeding for the zipperback shell mutation. HLogic brings up a good point, if hypos, why not from the same locale? Just because you can doesn't mean you should, at least not at my house or with my herd.

 

[SnakeyeZ]

I also vote NO for hybrids. I have seen some really pretty looking hybrids in the snake world but I still prefer to keep my bloodlines clean and pure.

I wish we could get Redfoots here for cheaper (or any tortoise for that matter). Mind you, cheaper they are the easier they are to get into abusive homes.

 

[HLogic]

[Very nice ....will your friend sell me his hypos for 175 bucks ea.?
I"ll take all 6 of them !
No offense taken ........

No, the $175 cherryheads in '91 were not hypos but he will sell the locale specific hypos for $1200 each (40% of what they were 5 years ago) maybe less. Nice try comparing apples & oranges...

I guess you should be glad other breeders don't cross them without regard to locale. Imagine what the price would be if someone with 50 females had done that last year or the year before. You can "bet your Azz" your profit would not be nearly as high.

PS . Yes I'am pretty sure they DO breed in the wild , once again the big debate if they are even a different species , who regardless of " location" stay indigenous to that area or cross multi lines of territories.

I'm pretty sure that an average of 3 miles of flowing water (the Amazon River) and 900+ miles of land (from the Amazon to Edo. Bahia, Brazil) precludes breeding in the wild.

The question remains, do you know if your hypos are Venezuelan (Northern) or Brazilian (Cherryhead)? Both locales have produced hypos.

That you cross breed locales doesn't really bother me. Like Carl said, C. trifaciata used to be $20. Because of the inability to acquire pure animals now, you can pick one up for $7,000 plus shipping from Hong Kong - you would have to ask the vendor about its lineage... I can't wait until purebred redfoots command that price!

I think producing morphs is a great way to increase the desirability of specimens and profit margins at the same time. Many, many breeders do so. My opinion is it should be done within not across taxonomic and locale boundaries. I guess it comes down to whether one is more into torts or into profits.

OT:
I wonder how much one could get for a chimp x human hybrid? There is no doubt it would be a very interesting creature. What are the chances I could train it to mow my lawn? I can't imagine anyone having a problem with that...

 

[Geochelone_Carbonaria]

Please take a look in my new thread, and tell me if you think she's a pure Cherry ?

http://www.tortoiseforum.org/Thread-Meet-my-new-Cherryhead-Queen#axzz1VlOI04B9

 

[cdmay]

OT:
I wonder how much one could get for a chimp x human hybrid? There is no doubt it would be a very interesting creature. What are the chances I could train it to mow my lawn? I can't imagine anyone having a problem with that...

Too late Art. I already had one of them that worked with me. Although he was great at mowing the lawn, he had the bad habit of throwing his poop at cars. It was embarrassing so we let him go.

 

[N2TORTS]

[Very nice ....will your friend sell me his hypos for 175 bucks ea.?
I"ll take all 6 of them !
No offense taken ........

No, the $175 cherryheads in '91 were not hypos but he will sell the locale specific hypos for $1200 each (40% of what they were 5 years ago) maybe less.

* well thats quite a difference than 175 for a normal cherry eh? There is obivously a " stigma" about them for some ... and really not all that common.....right?
( I wonder why? )

The question remains, do you know if your hypos are Venezuelan (Northern) or Brazilian (Cherryhead)? Both locales have produced hypos.

* to be exact .....I dont think anyone knows.... I know who I got them from , how long he had them ect ... , and yes a very respected tort person. But does he actually know ...?

That you cross breed locales doesn't really bother me. Like Carl said, C. trifaciata used to be $20. Because of the inability to acquire pure animals now, you can pick one up for $7,000 plus shipping from Hong Kong - you would have to ask the vendor about its lineage... I can't wait until purebred redfoots command that price!
*Me niether ...............

I think producing morphs is a great way to increase the desirability of specimens and profit margins at the same time.

* And very interesting too.............

So Iam wondering when are you guys going to studbook Redfoots and Cherrys like the Radiated? I know My Radi's are studbooked and know there exact linage , but honest even those of you who have long term animals , ( which I own some of them as well ) do you really think you know the exact local they are/were from ? assuming they are wild caught ?....Unless collecting the specimans yourself? Now for the 20 year vets ....OK ... so if lucky have 3rd generation animals from the " supposed" orig 80's group? ...
Interesting to say the least ....
Anyhow this thread as they usally do ...gets really funny , I couldnt imagine raising Redfoots or Cherrys in a garage , basement or where it freezes? ( like some of the so called Pro's) ... Might as well keep um in a fish tank !
I for my efforts and time I take care of my animals , have no problems with the hypo's......or the hybrids . But that dosnt make me a bad person...

JD~