greek or hermann

[HtVic]

Hi
since they both almost look the same,
which one is bigger when they fully grown?
I am thinking get a 75gal tank that can fit a adult size between either of one

 

[Terry Allan Hall]

Hi
since they both almost look the same,
which one is bigger when they fully grown?
I am thinking get a 75gal tank that can fit a adult size between either of one

Some subspecies of Greeks get a little larger than the Hermann's, but only by an inch or two, and some subspecies are slightly smaller. And, it'll depend on the gender (females tend to be a little larger) and the individual tortoise. On average, males of either average 6-7" fully grown, females 8-9".

BTW, a 75 gallon tank is really not large enough for long-term housing for either, but will barely suffice for it's winter home...during the warm part of the year, though, either will be much happier/healthier kept outside.

 

[JoesMum]

Hi
since they both almost look the same,
which one is bigger when they fully grown?
I am thinking get a 75gal tank that can fit a adult size between either of one

Some subspecies of Greeks get a little larger than the Hermann's, but only by an inch or two, and some subspecies are slightly smaller. And, it'll depend on the gender (females tend to be a little larger) and the individual tortoise. On average, males of either average 6-7" fully grown, females 8-9".

BTW, a 75 gallon tank is really not large enough for long-term housing for either, but will barely suffice for it's winter home...during the warm part of the year, though, either will be much happier/healthier kept outside.

What he said... 75 gallon is woefully small for anything other than young Testudo. Joe measures 10.5 inches and could barely turn round in it. Joe would also be stressed at being able to see out. If there's a world out there, he wants to be in it. A solid sided tortoise table works for his winter quarters. In the summer he's out in the garden.

 

[GBtortoises]

Hi
since they both almost look the same,
which one is bigger when they fully grown?
I am thinking get a 75gal tank that can fit a adult size between either of one

Adults size of either Hermann's or Greeks depend very much on which subspecies you have in mind and even specific geographical race of a given subspecies. It's very difficult to to give an accurate answer without knowing the specifics. Generally (very generally speaking, more northern Hermann's and Greek species, subspecies and races are larger in size than those from more southern locations. Examples are: Ibera, which are more prominent in the northern range of Greeks are larger (8-10" and up) than most of the southern Middle Eastern and African Greek subspecies (6-8"). Eastern Hermann's can vary greatly in size in the wild but very generally speaking those from the northern races tend to be larger in size than those more southerly. But in captivity, Eastern Hermann's for the most part have become a homogeneous subspecies due to decades of Easterns from different regions being bred together. Easterns in captivity average around 6.5-8" although there are some examples both smaller and larger. Dalmatian and Western Hermann subspecies are both generally smaller, in the 5-7" range. The measurements given are for maximum size mature females. Males of all the subspecies/species listed are generally smaller than females as adults.