yeah, I agree in moderation, but I had been feeding too much spring mix and that has too much protein so I am backing off of that and wanted a substitute. I feed Mazuri, hay, that they don't really eat even when I soak it, cut grass from outside, they don't like that either. At this time of year it is hard to come up with the weeds and grazing materials for them. So I am trying to feed different things that don't have the protein cause my shells are pyramiding a little. So I have added more moisture to their habitat, soaking them more and am trying to get them to eat a balanced diet. Oh yeah, I also feed them the cactus pads. I have read the food list and I just can't access most of that. Any help is appreciated.