Ok, so how many types of hinge backs are there?
And would any do ok in hot, humid, often rainy south Louisiana?
And would any do ok in hot, humid, often rainy south Louisiana?
How many types?
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Erosa, Homeana, specki, zombensis, natalensis, lobatsiana, domergueyi, and belliana.
The homeana, Erosa, and belliana nogueyi would do great where your at. They are western African and are use to high humidity and summer shower storms that LA gets. Also your winters are quite mild which they really aren't use to. But inside during those times are great. The thing with erosa and homeana is they are forest dwellers and do not favor open type outside enclosures. Heavily planted/shaded areas are favored for these 2 species. Bells are slightly different and are in more grassland meadow areas in the same regions. They would do just perfect for you. They also are not as sensitive in captivity and eat more grasses and broadleaf fauna than that of the more omnivorous erosa/homeana.
The homeana, Erosa, and belliana nogueyi would do great where your at. They are western African and are use to high humidity and summer shower storms that LA gets. Also your winters are quite mild which they really aren't use to. But inside during those times are great. The thing with erosa and homeana is they are forest dwellers and do not favor open type outside enclosures. Heavily planted/shaded areas are favored for these 2 species. Bells are slightly different and are in more grassland meadow areas in the same regions. They would do just perfect for you. They also are not as sensitive in captivity and eat more grasses and broadleaf fauna than that of the more omnivorous erosa/homeana.
Wow, Kelly and I thought there were only three. The erosa, specki and the homeana. Are the others ever available to get?
Sometimes the nogyuei. Natals are very very rare in the Us same with lobatse,zombensis and actually the domergueyi are zombensis but found in Madagascar. I believe they prove enough difference to hold its own species just hasn't been done yet. As far as true belliana belliana I Dont believe any are in the US. Most are western which are the nogueyi. All the cooliest ones are southwest Africa like the natals. Then you go a little further up in northern south Africa where lobatse, zombensis, specki, start to become more prevalent like Tanzania, swaziland, Zulu, Mozambique etc...
I have some PDF files that shows the different ones and the range. If I remember I will post it for public view. Great stuff. Hinge backs are spectacular and very very underrated species. I love them.
I have some PDF files that shows the different ones and the range. If I remember I will post it for public view. Great stuff. Hinge backs are spectacular and very very underrated species. I love them.
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Look at post 12 on juli11's hingeback thread, four threads ago. There is a pdf of the species. On 12/23/2012, a little longer ago, you will see the most recent taxanomic list, a big upset over earlier years.
These species descriptions have been posted many many times.
Will
These species descriptions have been posted many many times.
Will
I'm with Will's classification on this. Most people seem to still use the old classification though.
In the eu it's not soo difficult to get this species. You only have to Waite. I the next time there come a new import of K.belliana belliana to France [SMILING FACE WITH HEART-SHAPED EYES]. And I knew breeders of domerguei in Germany. Amd zombensis I know somebody too. But I don't know how it is in us.
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Re: RE: How many types?
Juli11, do you find K. natalensis with breeders or from importers? There are some to many of all the others in the US. If there are natals here it is not well known.
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juli11 said:
Juli11, do you find K. natalensis with breeders or from importers? There are some to many of all the others in the US. If there are natals here it is not well known.
Will
Hi,
My English is not the best... So do you mean that zombensis etc aren't rare in the us?! Hmm I'm searching natalensis to. I know somebody who import spekii and lobatsiana from southafrica so I asked him what's going on with natalensis.. He says it is illegal to export them from there. But sometimes he says there are some animals. So I have to Waite... But a friend of me said that he know somebody who has natalensis in Netherlands. But I don't contact to him at the moment so I have to wait :-D. But I hope I get in the next time the address of the studebook leader of kinixys in the eu. He know who breeds all kinixys species in the eu!!
My English is not the best... So do you mean that zombensis etc aren't rare in the us?! Hmm I'm searching natalensis to. I know somebody who import spekii and lobatsiana from southafrica so I asked him what's going on with natalensis.. He says it is illegal to export them from there. But sometimes he says there are some animals. So I have to Waite... But a friend of me said that he know somebody who has natalensis in Netherlands. But I don't contact to him at the moment so I have to wait :-D. But I hope I get in the next time the address of the studebook leader of kinixys in the eu. He know who breeds all kinixys species in the eu!!
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I mean there are few of some species, many of some species, and perhaps no natalensis. Right now the two forest species erosa and homeana. I had several zombensis several years ago, I do not think I was the only one. belliana was banned from importation, about 2000/2001 and since they seem rare, but there are many around as pets.
Now that the Phylogeny has changed, some importers are playing with the intention of the ban, to prevent ticks from getting imported along with tortoises. Now, technically, they are all legal, except belliana. For the savannah species many spekii have been imported, all because of their latin name.
Eric, you care to weigh in on this?
Will
Now that the Phylogeny has changed, some importers are playing with the intention of the ban, to prevent ticks from getting imported along with tortoises. Now, technically, they are all legal, except belliana. For the savannah species many spekii have been imported, all because of their latin name.
Eric, you care to weigh in on this?
Will
Oh ok. Can you send me some photos on the zombensis. I'm really interested in these species. And can you say me from where you get them?
Maybe as pm ;-)
Sorry I read it again... You haven't got them anymore sorry sorry
Maybe as pm ;-)
Sorry I read it again... You haven't got them anymore sorry sorry
Moozolion,,Are you thinking of getting one?
If so, cool!
If so, cool!
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From the words a the south African zoo owner my friend is. Natalensis is in SA is within protected ranges. All specimens actually are. The only way they get animals out is confiscated "pets". SA does not allow reintroduction of native tortoises. So many zoos and institutions get them out that way. They are very strict on export. Very strict. Natalensis are a lot like pyxis they live at river mouth basins in eastern SA and are active part times of the year. I have seen some in the US but they fared not well. One of the most beautiful species of kinixys for sure. Also the smallest.
Yes. That's the problem by all species. At the moment there comes a export-import forbade for all kinds of tortoises. So I think in the next years there will come a forbade for the import of kinixys... At the moment every year come for example 5000 nougeiy, 2000 homeana and 2000 erosa in the eu but that will be change I think..
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K. natalensis' range extends into Mozambique, a country that exports K. spekii.
Kelly, where did you read or hear about river basins? Do you mean riparian zones for habitat?
Will
Kelly, where did you read or hear about river basins? Do you mean riparian zones for habitat?
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I'm referring to the SA endemic natals. I will dig for the document in a field findings of environment for natalensis their. I think it was EU studbook group or maybe homopus.org group that did the paper on a findings near river basins and marshes and those aestivated and hibernated half the year. Makes sense. Similar latitude of Pyxis planicauda just on the other side of the pond.
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Sort of...I'm trying to research to decide what my next tort/turtle will be. It won't be until after I retire in 16 months because I work out of town during the week. So far I'm most interested in Hingebacks, Pancakes and Stars.
Thanks so much for the great info!!!
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