Babysmallz93
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Does her belly look normal? Where her yolk sac had absorbed is now white. I have not noticed this before. ( I am holding her upright not on her back)
Is this normal?
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Is it fully closed? If so then it's fine.
Babysmallz93
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Yes it is. Thank you!
It is really soft. Is that alright?
It is really soft. Is that alright?
It should harden soon. Keep an eye on it just to be sure, but it should be fine.Yes it is. Thank you!
Let us know how it feels in like a week.
Babysmallz93
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Alrighty. Thank you. I will do that.
It is not fully closed. This baby should still be in a brooder box set up. The breeder did this all wrong and has now sold this baby too soon. Not trying to upset you, but you need to know what is going on.Yes it is. Thank you!
These two threads will explain it further. Species doesn't matter in regards to this.
How To Incubate Eggs And Start Hatchlings
I put my eggs in a plastic shoe box with a lid on it and put the shoe box in the incubator. You can drill a couple of very small holes around the top of the container, but not on the lid. I use vermiculite as an incubation media. I mix it in a 1 : 1 ratio with water by weight for Sulcatas and...
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Watch the progression of the umbilical scar in this thread:
Sudan Sulcatas (This never gets old...)
My very first clutch of true 100% pure Sudan sulcatas is now hatching. I don't care how many times I see this, it just never gets old. I dig up the eggs carefully place them in my prepared shoe boxes, watch the temperature in the incubator and tend to them for months, and then... When that...
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What are you seeing that it's not fully closed when the OP says it is?It is not fully closed. This baby should still be in a brooder box set up. The breeder did this all wrong and has now sold this baby too soon. Not trying to upset you, but you need to know what is going on.
These two threads will explain it further. Species doesn't matter in regards to this.
How To Incubate Eggs And Start Hatchlings
I put my eggs in a plastic shoe box with a lid on it and put the shoe box in the incubator. You can drill a couple of very small holes around the top of the container, but not on the lid. I use vermiculite as an incubation media. I mix it in a 1 : 1 ratio with water by weight for Sulcatas and...
Watch the progression of the umbilical scar in this thread:
Sudan Sulcatas (This never gets old...)
My very first clutch of true 100% pure Sudan sulcatas is now hatching. I don't care how many times I see this, it just never gets old. I dig up the eggs carefully place them in my prepared shoe boxes, watch the temperature in the incubator and tend to them for months, and then... When that...
On others seen on here that has not been closed it usually looks red and raw yet.
Babysmallz93
Member
Thank you for the info. I am reading through it. I have had her for 2 months already.It is not fully closed. This baby should still be in a brooder box set up. The breeder did this all wrong and has now sold this baby too soon. Not trying to upset you, but you need to know what is going on.
These two threads will explain it further. Species doesn't matter in regards to this.
How To Incubate Eggs And Start Hatchlings
I put my eggs in a plastic shoe box with a lid on it and put the shoe box in the incubator. You can drill a couple of very small holes around the top of the container, but not on the lid. I use vermiculite as an incubation media. I mix it in a 1 : 1 ratio with water by weight for Sulcatas and...
Watch the progression of the umbilical scar in this thread:
Sudan Sulcatas (This never gets old...)
My very first clutch of true 100% pure Sudan sulcatas is now hatching. I don't care how many times I see this, it just never gets old. I dig up the eggs carefully place them in my prepared shoe boxes, watch the temperature in the incubator and tend to them for months, and then... When that...
The umbilical scar is wide open and you can see tissue inside the body cavity.
Read through the second thread. It is explained in detail and shown with pictures.
Babysmallz93
Member
I understand now. Is there anything I can do? Should I keep her on damp paper towels? She moves around a lot and eats constantly. Do you think she has a chance, since she doesn't seem sickly? Or is it already too late? Sorry for all of the questions I'm just really sad about this.
The_Four_Toed_Edward
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How much does your tortoise weigh? It could be another indicator of breeder failure.
Okay, thanks. This one looks like it has never started to close compared to yours. I wouldn't have thought being so big in diameter it would close now, but grow over. Like new growth being kinda soft, I figured if the OP said it was closed then it was new growth growing over.
Is there anything the OP can do other than housing it correctly now and could it ever close or just grow over? Yours happened in days and this one is a couple months.
Babysmallz93
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She weighs 40 grams.
The_Four_Toed_Edward
Well-Known Member
40 grams is very little for a two month old. Have you been weighing him regularly? Has there been any weight gain or loss?
How is his appetite?
How does the shell overall feel, pliable or sponge like?
How is his appetite?
How does the shell overall feel, pliable or sponge like?
Babysmallz93
Member
Yes I have. She was 40 grams when I got her. She didn't have a very good appetite and lost 7 grams. Then her appetite got better and now she is 40 grams again. She eats constantly. It feels similar to a Tupperware lid.
The questions are welcome. Please keep asking as any as you can think of. We are all here to talk tortoises.
After two months, I really don't think going back to a brooder box will do anything. On the other hand, don't think it would hurt either.
Hmmmm... Thinking what I would do if someone handed me this tortoise... I think I would treat the umbilical area with betadine and let it dry. Then I'd apply a small dab of triple antibiotic ointment and cover it with one of those sturdy fabric band aids. I'd keep the substrate in the dry side to reduce bacteria and help the band aid stick on longer.
Other than that, I'd make sure the temperatures and lighting were as close to optimal as I could get, do a long warm soak daily and replace the ointment and band aid each time after the tortoise was dry. Only do the betadine once, but do the ointment daily for at least a couple of weeks. Housing and heating the baby correctly will give it theist chance of healing. Any mistakes in temperature, humidity, or lighting will be much harder for a compromised baby to overcome.
For you and anyone reading: Do NOT buy a baby from a breeder that does not use a brooder box for at least 7-10 days after hatching. Be sure the umbilical scar is closed up. You can see examples of this on the Sudan Sulcata thread that I linked. Finally, the breeder should be holding on to the babies, feeding them, soaking them daily, and monitoring growth for AT LEAST 30 days after hatching, and only offering them for sale after all has been confirmed good. Sadly, most of the breeders out in the world don't do any of this, and have no idea what I'm talking about.
This is what I'm talking about when I mentioned ideal conditions and lighting:
The Best Way To Raise A Sulcata, Leopard, Or Star Tortoise
I chose the title of this care sheet very carefully. Are there other ways to raise babies? Yes. Yes there are, but those ways are not as good. What follows is the BEST way, according to 30 years of research and experimentation with hundreds of babies of many species. Babies hatch during the...
tortoiseforum.org
More info here, including a heating and lighting breakdown:
Info For New People. Please Read This First.
Hello and welcome to tortoiseforum.org! We are all glad you are here! There is no other forum like this anywhere. We have tens of thousands of members from all over the world ranging from kids with their first tortoise to people who have been breeding and keeping high end tortoises since the...
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Babysmallz93
Member
Thank you very much for all of your help. I will definitely follow your instructions. I'm not sure how to keep the humidity up with the substrate being on the dryer side. Should I keep the humidity the same (80+%)?The questions are welcome. Please keep asking as any as you can think of. We are all here to talk tortoises.
After two months, I really don't think going back to a brooder box will do anything. On the other hand, don't think it would hurt either.
Hmmmm... Thinking what I would do if someone handed me this tortoise... I think I would treat the umbilical area with betadine and let it dry. Then I'd apply a small dab of triple antibiotic ointment and cover it with one of those sturdy fabric band aids. I'd keep the substrate in the dry side to reduce bacteria and help the band aid stick on longer.
Other than that, I'd make sure the temperatures and lighting were as close to optimal as I could get, do a long warm soak daily and replace the ointment and band aid each time after the tortoise was dry. Only do the betadine once, but do the ointment daily for at least a couple of weeks. Housing and heating the baby correctly will give it theist chance of healing. Any mistakes in temperature, humidity, or lighting will be much harder for a compromised baby to overcome.
For you and anyone reading: Do NOT buy a baby from a breeder that does not use a brooder box for at least 7-10 days after hatching. Be sure the umbilical scar is closed up. You can see examples of this on the Sudan Sulcata thread that I linked. Finally, the breeder should be holding on to the babies, feeding them, soaking them daily, and monitoring growth for AT LEAST 30 days after hatching, and only offering them for sale after all has been confirmed good. Sadly, most of the breeders out in the world don't do any of this, and have no idea what I'm talking about.
This is what I'm talking about when I mentioned ideal conditions and lighting:
The Best Way To Raise A Sulcata, Leopard, Or Star Tortoise
I chose the title of this care sheet very carefully. Are there other ways to raise babies? Yes. Yes there are, but those ways are not as good. What follows is the BEST way, according to 30 years of research and experimentation with hundreds of babies of many species. Babies hatch during the...
More info here, including a heating and lighting breakdown:
Info For New People. Please Read This First.
Hello and welcome to tortoiseforum.org! We are all glad you are here! There is no other forum like this anywhere. We have tens of thousands of members from all over the world ranging from kids with their first tortoise to people who have been breeding and keeping high end tortoises since the...
This is easy to accomplish in a closed chamber. If you don't have a closed chamber, I would get one.
Babysmallz93
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Alrighty.
