Currently, there are 27 ads on Kingsnake selling sulcatas.
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wow, i have never seen such high costs for sulcatas. the most expensive ive seen here in az (reptile stores included) is like 80 bucks. most have been like 40-50.
but stores also double and even triple their wholesale prices.
couple stores are selling normal bally python bbaies for like 100 bucks. they are like 15-20 bucks breeder direct/wholesale.
i never buy animals retail, unless they are close to the "going rate" so to speak
but stores also double and even triple their wholesale prices.
couple stores are selling normal bally python bbaies for like 100 bucks. they are like 15-20 bucks breeder direct/wholesale.
i never buy animals retail, unless they are close to the "going rate" so to speak
No shortage here in Florida, I know of some for $25 each.
Question... What about the four inch rule? Would a pet store be able to sell a hatchling? I don't believe that pet stores can do that here in New Your State? Maybe the store owner was talking about the lack of four inch sulcatas? Just asking...
Nobody abides by the 4" rule. Most of the people who are charged wit enforcing it don't even know where its written or what it says. I have asked many of them.
Besides that, all those hatchlings sold at pet stores are sold strictly for "educational" purposes, don't you know.
Besides that, all those hatchlings sold at pet stores are sold strictly for "educational" purposes, don't you know.
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dmmj said:
Four inch rule applies to everyone
Tom said:
katherine said:dmmj said:
Four inch rule applies to everyone
Tom said:
This is open to legal interpretation, but I don't think so. My impression is that it pertains to businesses and not small time hobbiests.
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Tom said:
Well I like your impression better than mine! It does refer to 'commercial and public distribution' which I guess one could argue did not apply to them. Tried to link to the FDA page where it is posted but was unable to do, maybe someone more tech savvy can post it so people can read it and form their own informed opinions.
katherine said:
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=1240.62
I do not think the law is open to interpretation; however, who is a hobbyist vs who isn't is arguable. If someone is selling their hatchlings, as themselves, it is easier to say that they are within the exception versus someone who forms a business entity and makes a website to sell their turtles. Even if it is only part time and they have a 'real job', it's hard to say that they aren't selling them as a business.
There is also this: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/May03/052903/98p-0680-pdn0001-01-vol1.pdf
As for the OP, I haven't noticed any change in availability of sulcatas around here, and in the pet stores they are the usual $109 - $129 they've been for the last few years.
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Strange. Here in so cal I regularly see them for 50 dollars a pop a discount of up to 100 dollars off if you buy multiple.
ALDABRAMAN said:
I agree. The reptile show that I was just at this past weekend had baby sulcatas at like 5 different booths. They were cheap and I think I seen one person walking around with one that they just bought. Maybe it's the location that the price is higher?
No business in the business of selling is gonna say that item A is plentiful , scarcity or rumors of scarcity, means higher prices, is this the actual case in this pet store, I don't know but it would be pretty dumb to say " oh yah sure I got lots of them".
4 inch rules does not apply to hobbyist and private breeders, only businesses.
Sorry for going OT
4 inch rules does not apply to hobbyist and private breeders, only businesses.
Sorry for going OT
like 'kitten season' pretty soon there will be so many, and no homes for them.. yet again... and shelters will have no choice but to........:-(
it would be nice to think that the 'breeders' of sulcatas have stopped selling to pet stores, so they had control and say over who bought them and the education they receive before purchase.. but Im sure that is not the case either...
it would be nice to think that the 'breeders' of sulcatas have stopped selling to pet stores, so they had control and say over who bought them and the education they receive before purchase.. but Im sure that is not the case either...
Laura said:
What are you talking about? Baby sulcatas don't end up at shelters. Even the big ones hardly ever do, and when they do on that rare occasion they are adopted within hours of becoming available.
I had a hard time getting a Star tortoise mailed to me from the companies that I reach out to (I had to find a local breeder). I just read from Rept-Mart website that you are not even allowed to keep a tortoise in New York State if it is not 4 inches... Scary! I have never seen a baby Sulcatas... So sad.
Neal said:
You are saying that hundreds of baby sulcatas are turned into local AZ shelters and euthanized? This is the first I've ever heard of that.
I was referring to your statement that the big ones hardly make it to the shelters...although babies do get turned in from time to time.
By never leave I don't mean they are euthanized, I mean that the shelter hoards them and never lets them go. We've discussed this on several threads.
By never leave I don't mean they are euthanized, I mean that the shelter hoards them and never lets them go. We've discussed this on several threads.
Oh you are talking about that "rescue" that sells the babies.
I was talking about our local govern,ent run county animal shelter. The one that takes in dogs and cats and stuff.
I was talking about our local govern,ent run county animal shelter. The one that takes in dogs and cats and stuff.
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