Sad update - Trixie has died

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My post history here has been brief so far as I only got interested in adopting a tortoise after I hosted a neighbors escaped 3-toed turtle a few days.

And this is probably my last post for a while as the tortoise I had adopted, Trixie, has died.

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Last Sunday I took her to the vet when I could no longer convince myself that she was ok as she had not been eating and was lethargic.

Trixie had been outside in an outside enclosure here in Southern California since I brought her out of brumation, but she never really started eating and I hadn't seen her drink in last two weeks.

Her enclosure had shade and sunny spots throughout the day as the sun shifted from 10am to about 6pm, and she would reposition herself to take advantage of sunbeams and sploot.

At night the temperature temperature over the last month has dipped just below 60 but for the most part stayed above it and so I thought, most probably in error, that she'd be ok, that this environment was like where her species evolved.

As she wasn't eating I offered her what she ate the most of in the time I had her, which was romaine. She never showed interest daffodils, hibiscus, or leafy greens I set out for her and only ever had a few nibbles of Mazuri.

I finally took her to a vet with experience with tortoises at an office which has a department for exotics. They diagnosed her with an upper respiratory illness based on congestion the vet saw in the nose and mouth, and irritation inside her mouth.

They suggested we draw fluids to figure out the cause and made a list of tests and treatment options.

If I had gone through with all of it, the total would have been over $1300, which was more than I could really afford in one hit, so we talked and her recommendation was to start a 2 week course of Baytril injected into pectoral muscles.

They did the first injection at the office along with injecting some fluids since she was dehydrated and I brought her home with syringes for the rest of the doses.

I set up her table top enclosure indoors since the our house never dips below the mid-70s and turned on a ceramic heater bulb from 9am to 7pm.

The injections were set to happen every other day, 2 days ago I gave her the second one in the opposite pectoral from the one they started on.

The soak after that she peed a bit and it was more liquidy and less solid than any before, which I figured might be ok since there might not have been thick urates to pass as she had not been eating.

Today again she peed a bit during her soak at 11am and was active. I dried her off and brought her back into her enclosure and placed her close to her CHE where her shell temperature was in the 90s and the substrate around her was in the 80s.

At 4pm I scooped her up to administer her third injection of baytril, but she was already stiff.

On the chance that she might still be with us I went through with the injection, but there was no reaction.

So I'm sad and angry at myself for letting her down since there is a chance that if I had not adopted her she might still be alive.

Thinking back I should have immediately taken her to a vet back in October when she came into my care, but I thought that her lack of appetite lined up well with her wanting to brumate.

In reality it might have been a low level infection that was building up.

And when she didn't start gobbling up food a couple of weeks after she was awake, I should have taken her to the vet then, or at the very least made adjustments.

I guess part of the reason for this post is that it might help someone make the decision that I kept pushing off till it was too late and that is to get a specialist's help.

I had assumed that I could do a good job of caring for her because compared to how much I've learned recently, I knew nothing and was a very bad keeper to our cornsnake who was with us for 16 years.

And that wasn't true. I was the wrong keeper for Trixie.

Maybe the level of care I provided would have been good enough for a different tort that might have not had any history of illness, but I didn't know what her history was and should have been more aggressive in seeking treatment earlier on. Money had been tight over the last few months due to circumstances, but that really isn't an excuse.

Now I have to decide what to do with her remains and live with the fact that I played a part in her demise.
 

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Do you want to figure out more about what went wrong and learn from the experience?

Where in L.A. are you? This will tell me more about your specific climate.

How did you brumate her, and at what temperatures?

What vet did you go to? Most vets don't know tortoises. Baytril literally burns them at the injection site and should not be used. The only thing wrong with this tortoise is that its housing and temperature needs weren't being met. What vets, and most other people, fail to understand is that tortoises don't get sick for no reason. Vets see symptoms and treat symptoms. But why are you seeing these symptoms? It's usually because something is off with the husbandry. Fix the problem that is causing the symptoms, and the symptoms will often go away on their own. Treating the symptoms without correcting the cause of the symptoms is futile, pointless, counterproductive, and expensive.
 

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I am near downtown LA. We aren't as cool as the beaches here and not as warm as the inland empire.

It has only gotten into the 90s a couple of times since February when I brought her out of the fridge and at night it has dipped down to 55 a couple of nights. In the last few weeks it has been between 58 and 85. Though I hadn't been taking measurements of her shell when she basked, my guess is that it was probably in the 90s, though perhaps with wind temperatures being lower, I could be wrong about that.

She was brumated in a full sized fridge that I measured stayed at 45f from mid-November to February after she had not passed any urine or feces for about 2 weeks.

The vet I went to is on the west side of Los Angeles and is known by other vets in the area as a recommended place for reptiles and exotics.

I did raise a concern about their recommendation to go with baytril based on things I'd read here but I relented on asking for something else since I hadn't paid to do more testing and I decided to trust the vet's assessment that it might be able to address different possible causes of the URI.
 

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Sorry for your loss.
 

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I am sorry you lost Trixie, but you are being way, way too hard on yourself.
You were a deeply caring and loving owner, did the best you knew how, and I wish more people who keep animals would put such effort and thought into it as you do!
We love them and we keep learning.
 

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I am near downtown LA. We aren't as cool as the beaches here and not as warm as the inland empire.

It has only gotten into the 90s a couple of times since February when I brought her out of the fridge and at night it has dipped down to 55 a couple of nights. In the last few weeks it has been between 58 and 85. Though I hadn't been taking measurements of her shell when she basked, my guess is that it was probably in the 90s, though perhaps with wind temperatures being lower, I could be wrong about that.

She was brumated in a full sized fridge that I measured stayed at 45f from mid-November to February after she had not passed any urine or feces for about 2 weeks.

The vet I went to is on the west side of Los Angeles and is known by other vets in the area as a recommended place for reptiles and exotics.

I did raise a concern about their recommendation to go with baytril based on things I'd read here but I relented on asking for something else since I hadn't paid to do more testing and I decided to trust the vet's assessment that it might be able to address different possible causes of the URI.
Did she have a temperature controlled shelter outside, or was she sleeping on the ground outside?
 

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She did not have a temperature controlled outside shelter, just a hide, though she was just as likely to dig down in a corner under leaves and mulch.

On the days where it did drop to the low 50s or get passed the 90s outside, or if it would rain, I would bring her inside and put her in a table top enclosure.
 

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