Testudo ID Requested

[Neltharion]

We received the six tortoises. See photo below. The three on the right hand side and the one on the bottom left corner, definitely appear to be Hermanns. The one on the top left hand corner and the middle left side appear to be Greeks. Can someone confirm or offer a second opinion?

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We received the six tortoises. See photo below. The three on the right hand side and the one on the bottom left corner, definitely appear to be Hermanns. The one on the top left hand corner and the middle left side appear to be Greeks. Can someone confirm or offer a second opinion?

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[SnakeyeZ]

Beautiful tortoises, looks like you struck out on a great deal.

Welcome to the forum as well.

 

[Eweezyfosheezy]

I think its safe to say all of those are eastern hermanns.

 

[Yvonne G]

Hi neltharion:

Welcome to the forum!!

May we know your name and where you are?

 

[B K]

Hello I see you received my email welcome to the forum

 

[Kristina]

Oh my goodness, look how all their little heads are pointed the same direction in the first pic! How cute is that?!?!?

Welcome to the forum!

 

[Neltharion]

Thanks for the Welcome. I'm Wes. I'm in Folsom, California near Sacramento.

 

[B K]

Nice looking torts

 

[bikerchicspain]

Can you post a picture of the anal scutes, A hermanns has a divided scute and the greeks do not, this is an easy way to ID them

 

[Neltharion]

Can you post a picture of the anal scutes, A hermanns has a divided scute and the greeks do not, this is an easy way to ID them

I had a friend take a closer look. He has Greeks and Hermanns. He pointed out the lack of spurs on the rear legs and the small 'horned' appearance on the tips of the tails. One thing he did point it, it appears that I received three males and three females. The last attachment shows what seems to be a small male on the right.

 

[GBtortoises]

They are all Eastern Hermann's Testudo hermanni boettgeri.

 

[bikerchicspain]

Can you post a picture of the anal scutes, A hermanns has a divided scute and the greeks do not, this is an easy way to ID them

Sorry guys got my scutes mixed up i meant the supracaudal scute is divided on a hermann

I can see from the pics that they have no spurs and that the supracaudal scute is divided..

 

[GBtortoises]

A divided supercaudal (some older literature does call them anal scutes so the mix up is an easy one) is not a definitive identifying feature to distinguish Hermann's from Greeks. Many Hermann's, particulary Eastern Hermann's do not have a divided supercaudal scute. Along with that, some Greeks, particularly some populations of Northern Ibera, do sometimes have a divided supercaudal scute. Although this occurance appears to be much more rare. Below is a photo of a male and female Eastern Hermann's that I have. The female, at the top of the photo does not have a divided supercaudal, while the male does. Many more of my Easterns do not have a divided supercaudal scute either.