The ultimate list?

[egyptiandan]

If you did do just one subspecies or type, than yes you could do a basic care book

Though the hingeback analogy doesn't quite work now that Kinixys nogueyi is back as a subspecies of K.belliana.

Time to redo the list too They have raised the subspecies of Galaps to species level. They aren't recognizing Dipsochelys hololissa and D.arnoldi as species and at best they would be subspecies of D. dussumieri

Danny

 

[Yvonne G]

Someone who has kept nearly all of them... * cough... Danny*

LOL!! I didn't want to point fingers, but he's who I had in mind!

 

[stells]

Tone... i will remember that next time.... practice what you preach and all that

In my defence i did start my post with... I really don't want to sound rude here and hope i don't... that usually means... i hope i don't sound rude

General care books... i have the Star one by the Fifes ... but when something is so variable then no... sorry i don't

Yvonne... great minds and all that lol

 

[Madkins007]

Just FYI- 'Cherryhead Red-foots' are not a separate species (yet) or even really much of anything other than a marketing term, but if you are breaking Red-foots up into care categories it would be Northern and Southern forms.

Also jut FYI- i love the idea of your mini care book! A lot of the posts I make are parts of a book I am working on very casually on Red-foots that I would LOVE to expand to ALL Forest Tortoises. The idea would be that Part 1 would be natural history and science, Part 2 would be general cares- the importance of humidity and how to achieve it, etc., and Part 3 would be chapters on how to apply the info on Part 2 to each species. So far tis but a dream, though.

 

[GBtortoises]

I think generalized tortoise care books were good "back in the day" because we didn't know as much about the specific needs or micro-environment of each individual species. This hobby has come a long, long way since then. We now know that certain species sometimes have specific needs. I think by attempting to lump a group of tortoises together in a book based on their common name (Greek) or by their habitat designation (forest or desert) a book will not be able to cover specific needs for the various species involved. That is unless the author is willing to address each species, it's environmental and captive care needs individually in seperate chapters or sections.

 

[Stephanie Logan]

Hey! I just read through this thread, and I am offended, deeply offended, that there is no Chaco tortoise on your list! When I revealed this omission to my Princess Pinto Bean, a large tear trickled slowly down her cheek from her sad dark eye...and with a wee sniffle of resigned anonymity, she shuffled softly back into her warm dark hide.

How could you?!

Now the only way you can redeem yourself is to add Chacos to the list, and send my Taco some grape leaves...if they really exist.

 

[GBtortoises]

"Hey! I just read through this thread, and I am offended, deeply offended, that there is no Chaco tortoise on your list!"

Calm yourself and check Danny's list again.

 

[Stephanie Logan]

Yes, I was reacting to Meg's list.

You know I won't be able to shame Danny into sending us grape leaves!


"Chaco" isn't highlighted or bolded in the appropriate prominent position it should have anyway, even in Danny's list...(peddle, peddle)!

 

[GBtortoises]

I'm picking up what you're putting down now.

 

[egyptiandan]

I updated the list

This coming up year (2010), as well as naming the new Galapagos tortoise species, they will be adding a second species to the Chersina genus.
You will also notice that there are now 2 species of Chaco tortoise. What was Chelonoidis chilensis chilensis is now C. petersi and C.c.donosobarrosi is now C.chilensis.
Kinixys nogueyi is now back where it belongs as a subspecies of K. bellianna

Danny

 

[Yvonne G]

So what does that mean for Stephanie? What is her Chaco?

 

[egyptiandan]

Chelonoidis petersi

Danny

 

[Yvonne G]

OH! Sorry...that went right over my head. I was forgetting that there was a chaco redfoot. Or am I still up in the clouds?

 

[Stephanie Logan]

I updated the list
You will also notice that there are now 2 species of Chaco tortoise. What was Chelonoidis chilensis chilensis is now C. petersi and C.c.donosobarrosi is now C.chilensis.
Kinixys nogueyi is now back where it belongs as a subspecies of K. bellianna

Danny

So...not to belabor the issue, but what is the difference between my Taco Petersi (that will now be her legal last name) and the Chaco/former donosobarrosi and current kinixys nogueyi (both of which would have been excessively unwieldy last names anyway)?

Does the new designation indicate any change in the micro-climate I need to provide her?

Gotta grab that Danny advice whenever he's around!

(And thanks for advocating for my Taco, Yvonne. She appreciates it.)

 

[egyptiandan]

Sorry I needed a period before I started in on the Kinixys genus (nothing to do with Taco ).

It's just a name change and nothing more

The former Chelonoidis chilensis donosobarrosi now (C. chilensis) gets bigger and has dark centers and light edges to all the carapace scutes. It's the opposite for C. petersi.

There is a Chacoan redfoot Yvonne but at most it would be a subspecies of redfoot and not a seperate species.

Danny

 

[Stephanie Logan]

Interesting. Thanks, Danny. Hope all your Chaco's are healthy and smiling.

 

[Madkins007]

There is a Chacoan redfoot Yvonne but at most it would be a subspecies of redfoot and not a seperate species.

Danny

So far, Danny... so far!

What is your source for the updates and such?? I'd love to have a good link for that sort of thing.

 

[egyptiandan]

Here you go Mark http://www.iucn-tftsg.org/checklist/

The only thing is The new list is now damaged and doesn't come up. I saw it once and am kicking myself for not saving it than.
The list from early 2009 is working fine. I'm hoping they get it fixed soon.

Danny

 

[Madkins007]

Here you go Mark http://www.iucn-tftsg.org/checklist/

The only thing is The new list is now damaged and doesn't come up. I saw it once and am kicking myself for not saving it than.
The list from early 2009 is working fine. I'm hoping they get it fixed soon.

Danny

It opened OK for me (odd), and I find I already have it saved- cool! Thanks!!

 

[egyptiandan]

Now that I've fiddled with it It's working for me again too.

Danny