This fourm is not only useless, it's dangerous.

[meatball]

For all you people new to this forum, find another one as fast as you can. This one is full of contradictory advice, and some of it is DANGEROUS. You can see at least three different answers to every question you have, and they all contradict one another. I've questioned some people who seem to have a lot to say on this forum. No answers at all from the members who post frequently. I came out here looking for help and found NONE. I have a 15-year-old Sulcata that weighs 125 pounds, and I haven't found a SINGLE helpful article out here. I gave up and drove 3 hours to see a reptile specialist. He agrees that these forums are more dangerous than useful.

It ticks me off enough that I am currently working on a way to find and report on these forums that aren't serving a purpose. If you people want to have a forum where no one knows what they are talking about, you need to warn the rest of us.

If I sound angry, I am. This forum is unmoderated and just a chat room for people that like to seem like they know Sulcatas. They don't.

 

[Taylor T.]

Ummmm, okay? Rather good flame job for your fourth post.

You must have worked pretty hard to avoid the countless helpful threads on this forum. Did you show your vet this exact forum, or just ask about forums in general? This is really the only forum I've found that knows how to properly raise tropical species without turning them into beef jerky.

I looked at your previous posts, and you recently thought that Sulcatas could hibernate. I'm not trying to say you are stupid because of this, but is it possible you just don't know what is good information and what is not?

 

[Toddrickfl1]

I'd have to disagree. I found more conflicting info online sites than I did this forum. I signed up to this forum before I got my tort and followed the advice of experienced keepers on here. 6 months later I have a happy, healthy,growing, perfectly smooth tort.

 

[Jay Bagley]

Sounds like a bunch of hogwash to me. You're obviously trying to just get attention, or just stir up a bunch of crap. I think that was probably the most ridiculous post I've seen to date. You obviously don't know what good information is. I'm almost disappointed in myself I wasted a paragraph on this post.

 

[wellington]

Just because you found out how much you didn't know doesn't mean this forum is full of wrong information. It means you need to get off your high horse and realize you didn't know much about raising a sulcata.
There is more then one answer to most questions. Someone in dry AZ will have to do things different then in humid FL.
This forum has proof, years of it, of helping save tortoises health and care.
This so called reptile specialist you seen. Well, a whole lot of them have no clue about how to raise a tortoise let alone how too treat it.
They don't want to acknowledge that the old outdated wrong info that they were taught or read in books is wrong.
I feel sorry for your tortoise to be owned by someone that's not willing to learn the new better ways.
Maybe you should troll some other forum that actually is still promoting the old wrong ways.

 

[wellington]

Btw, we do moderate this forum and we watch for trolls closely.

 

[TechnoCheese]

For all you people new to this forum, find another one as fast as you can. This one is full of contradictory advice, and some of it is DANGEROUS. You can see at least three different answers to every question you have, and they all contradict one another. I've questioned some people who seem to have a lot to say on this forum. No answers at all from the members who post frequently. I came out here looking for help and found NONE. I have a 15-year-old Sulcata that weighs 125 pounds, and I haven't found a SINGLE helpful article out here. I gave up and drove 3 hours to see a reptile specialist. He agrees that these forums are more dangerous than useful.

It ticks me off enough that I am currently working on a way to find and report on these forums that aren't serving a purpose. If you people want to have a forum where no one knows what they are talking about, you need to warn the rest of us.

If I sound angry, I am. This forum is unmoderated and just a chat room for people that like to seem like they know Sulcatas. They don't.

I’m sorry, but what? You have only asked one question. You have been here for four days. You haven’t even made your own thread until now!
Multiple people answered your question. Sulcatas cannot hibernate, PERIOD. It is extremely dangerous and definitely not normal for a sulcata to do that. So many people tried to get more info so that they could help you further, yet you never responded. Just because you don’t like the answer doesn’t mean it’s not true.

Useless? This forum has prevented my Sulcata, and many other tortoises from dying. When I joined, I knew no correct info on how to care for my tortoise. When I DID get advice from here, I didn’t follow a lot of it, and my tortoise gained a ridge of pyramiding, just like they said it would. Now that I’m following the advice, my tortoise is growing smoothly, growing quickly, and has a huge appetite.
Where, in any part of the forum, is our advice DANGEROUS? I believe it’s far from it! And getting contradictory answers? Sure that might happen every now and then. It’s a forum after all, a place to share opinions and come to conclusions. But on every single thread? Everywhere? That is absolutely ridiculous.

No one knows anything about Sulcatas? Have you done ANY searching? Again, you have been here for FOUR DAYS, and you have asked ONE QUESTION, where you hijacked someone else’s thread to do so.

It seems that you have done no searching on this forum. There are THOUSANDS of helpful threads, and THOUSANDS of members who can help you, if you were to actually make your own thread and ask a question.
Again, you have asked ONE question, which was answered to the best abilities of the people who replied without more information. When people asked for more information, you never responded.

The forum is always open to those who wish to use it, and expand your knowledge. We welcome you to ask more questions, and explore the forum further than what you have, because it seems that you have not at all if you cannot find any info.

 

[Bee62]

For all you people new to this forum, find another one as fast as you can. This one is full of contradictory advice, and some of it is DANGEROUS. You can see at least three different answers to every question you have, and they all contradict one another. I've questioned some people who seem to have a lot to say on this forum. No answers at all from the members who post frequently. I came out here looking for help and found NONE. I have a 15-year-old Sulcata that weighs 125 pounds, and I haven't found a SINGLE helpful article out here. I gave up and drove 3 hours to see a reptile specialist. He agrees that these forums are more dangerous than useful.

It ticks me off enough that I am currently working on a way to find and report on these forums that aren't serving a purpose. If you people want to have a forum where no one knows what they are talking about, you need to warn the rest of us.

If I sound angry, I am. This forum is unmoderated and just a chat room for people that like to seem like they know Sulcatas. They don't.

This forum contains more knowledge because of it`s members than anyone else can know.
No one begs you to stay and learn about your tortoise but if you do you will learn that you are completely wrong when you say that this forum is not good.
We need no trolls, we need members who are willing to learn from the experienced tortoise keepers and share what they have learned with new tortoise keepers.

 

[Jay Bagley]

Yep

 

[daniellenc]

Is it a full moon or something? @meatball you've asked one question here and it was consistently answered. I don't understand how you've formed such negative opinions after one encounter? You will see several answers to the same type of questions here. That is because diversity exists in the care of anything whether it be an animal, a car, a child, or anything else. There is often no one "right" way, but many ways that are suitable. Can you be more specific about your opinion this forum is dangerous? You provided your opinion but no specifics on what lead you to form it.

 

[Toddrickfl1]

Is it a full moon or something? @meatball you've asked one question here and it was consistently answered. I don't understand how you've formed such negative opinions after one encounter? You will see several answers to the same type of questions here. That is because diversity exists in the care of anything whether it be an animal, a car, a child, or anything else. There is often no one "right" way, but many ways that are suitable. Can you be more specific about your opinion this forum is dangerous? You provided your opinion but no specifics on what lead you to form it.

Lol I just posted thesame thing in another thread!

 

[Redfool]

Last time I looked this forum was not a set of tortoise laws but a compilation of husbandry opinions that have been tested by their experiences and trials. Dangerous? Really?

 

[Yvonne G]

As long as you're polite and follow the rules, EVERYONE is welcome to post here. Yes we have different opinions. Ed in Florida takes care of his tortoises differently than I do here in California. If the all the Forum members lived in the same general geographical area, the information we give out would all be the same stuff. But because we have members all over the world, we have different ways to care for our tortoises. You have to take what works for you in your geographical area/climate. That's why we always ask new members where they are. . . so we can give them the help that fits their climate.

 

[Yvonne G]

I didn't cotton onto the fact that the other thread was in the Hermanni section (yes, sometimes I miss stuff). I have since moved meatball's sulcata hibernation discussion to its own thread in the sulcata section.

 

[wellington]

I didn't cotton onto the fact that the other thread was in the Hermanni section (yes, sometimes I miss stuff). I have since moved meatball's sulcata hibernation discussion to its own thread in the sulcata section.

And I totally missed that and even had posted on it.

 

[Yvonne G]

For all you people new to this forum, find another one as fast as you can. This one is full of contradictory advice, and some of it is DANGEROUS. You can see at least three different answers to every question you have, and they all contradict one another. I've questioned some people who seem to have a lot to say on this forum. No answers at all from the members who post frequently. I came out here looking for help and found NONE. I have a 15-year-old Sulcata that weighs 125 pounds, and I haven't found a SINGLE helpful article out here. I gave up and drove 3 hours to see a reptile specialist. He agrees that these forums are more dangerous than useful.

It ticks me off enough that I am currently working on a way to find and report on these forums that aren't serving a purpose. If you people want to have a forum where no one knows what they are talking about, you need to warn the rest of us.

If I sound angry, I am. This forum is unmoderated and just a chat room for people that like to seem like they know Sulcatas. They don't.

Ok, I feel I MUST rectify the fact that you received "no answers at all from the members who post frequently."

Going back through your many posts, your first question was:

What if it wants to

(This is in regard to a large sulcata and hibernation)

Tortoises don't always know what's best for them. This species doesn't understand cold weather. If the tortoise continually moves out of the heated area, then you must continually move him back. OR if he prefers being over by the chimney, then move your lights and heat sources over to where he wants to be. Maybe the cement floor by the chimney is warmer than the cement floor where you set up his winter quarters. (???) Also, you should put down a sheet of plywood over the cement in the area where the tortoise is.

Hm-m-m-m-m. . . still searching for the rest of your questions. But this is the only one I see. Hopefully I've given you my opinion on sulcatas hibernating. And going back to that only question you asked, five other members responded to it. I'm thinking you just didn't like the responses.

If there are any other members out there who have an opinion (members who post frequently, that is) on how to keep a 125lb sulcata from "hibernation" please let us know how you would remedy this situation for meatball.

 

[teresaf]

I've found this site to be the best one out there! Lots of nice folks. Very helpful. I too, have never heard of a sulcata trying to hibernate... If he slows down and sleeps all the time then something is lacking in his diet or heat requirements... I hope you get the answers you're looking for...

 

[Tom]

For all you people new to this forum, find another one as fast as you can. This one is full of contradictory advice, and some of it is DANGEROUS. You can see at least three different answers to every question you have, and they all contradict one another. I've questioned some people who seem to have a lot to say on this forum. No answers at all from the members who post frequently. I came out here looking for help and found NONE. I have a 15-year-old Sulcata that weighs 125 pounds, and I haven't found a SINGLE helpful article out here. I gave up and drove 3 hours to see a reptile specialist. He agrees that these forums are more dangerous than useful.

It ticks me off enough that I am currently working on a way to find and report on these forums that aren't serving a purpose. If you people want to have a forum where no one knows what they are talking about, you need to warn the rest of us.

If I sound angry, I am. This forum is unmoderated and just a chat room for people that like to seem like they know Sulcatas. They don't.

Meatball, I went back and read the four posts you made here. I don't see where you've formed this opinion. I can only guess that your "reptile specialist" quoted you the old, incorrect, out-dated info that so many of us erroneously followed for so many years, before we figured out, through experimentation, trial and error and a lot of hard work, what really works and why it works.

Your first post, and the question within that post, was buried in an old thread, in the wrong section, for the wrong species. Even still, you got good answers that were consistent. You have a tropical species that does not hibernate. According to my friend Tomas Diagne who founded the African Chelonian Institute, lives in Senegal in sulcata territory, and has been studying sulcata tortoises for decades, there are but two seasons over there. The hot season, and the hotter season. There is no cold-winter-on-a-concrete-floor-in-a-MA-basement season. Why did your tortoise keep moving over to the cold area? For the same reason mine go park under a bush instead of going into their heated shelters. They don't know any better. In the wild, anywhere they decided to park (Which would be underground…) would always be the "right" temperature. Their minds have been evolving for millions of years in an area of there world where there is no "cold". This is in stark contrast to the hermanni tortoise, which comes from a temperate environment and does hibernate over the colder winters that occur there, which was the subject of the thread you decided to jump in on.

If you want to be "angry" and spout off non-sensical, incorrect, baseless accusations, then I've got nothing for you. Proceed as you wish with that and I'll sit back and enjoy the show. If you want to have a fact based discussion about what works for sulcatas and why, I'm here for you man.

Your choice.

 

[Toddrickfl1]

Meatball, I went back and read the four posts you made here. I don't see where you've formed this opinion. I can only guess that your "reptile specialist" quoted you the old, incorrect, out-dated info that so many of us erroneously followed for so many years, before we figured out, through experimentation, trial and error and a lot of hard work, what really works and why it works.

Your first post, and the question within that post, was buried in an old thread, in the wrong section, for the wrong species. Even still, you got good answers that were consistent. You have a tropical species that does not hibernate. According to my friend Tomas Diagne who founded the African Chelonian Institute, lives in Senegal in sulcata territory, and has been studying sulcata tortoises for decades, there are but two seasons over there. The hot season, and the hotter season. There is no cold-winter-on-a-concrete-floor-in-a-MA-basement season. Why did your tortoise keep moving over to the cold area? For the same reason mine go park under a bush instead of going into their heated shelters. They don't know any better. In the wild, anywhere they decided to park (Which would be underground…) would always be the "right" temperature. Their minds have been evolving for millions of years in an area of there world where there is no "cold". This is in stark contrast to the hermanni tortoise, which comes from a temperate environment and does hibernate over the colder winters that occur there, which was the subject of the thread you decided to jump in on.

If you want to be "angry" and spout off non-sensical, incorrect, baseless accusations, then I've got nothing for you. Proceed as you wish with that and I'll sit back and enjoy the show. If you want to have a fact based discussion about what works for sulcatas and why, I'm here for you man.

Your choice.

Well put man

 

[Redfool]

Anybody notice no positive or negative response from @meatball since his initial post?