Any one use ground up tums for calcium.
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Read about it on this site. http://www.azeah.com/Care-Sheets.asp?id=105
franeich said:Any one use ground up tums for calcium.
Read about it on this site. http://www.azeah.com/Care-Sheets.asp?id=105
DeanS said:The thing is...TUMS are pure calcium...that's the antacid! This is why so many people drink milk when the get an ulcer.
shmily1605 said:This is a tricky subject that my professor had to explain to us. Also everyone wonders if you should be giving the calcium carb everyday well this is why I dont. Its best they get calcium that does not have to be converted.
shmily1605 said:DeanS said:The thing is...TUMS are pure calcium...that's the antacid! This is why so many people drink milk when the get an ulcer.
Dean Im not sure you understand what I am saying. Stomach acid is required for good mineral absorption, including calcium & magnesium. Calcium carbonate antacids neutralize the stomach acid needed for their absorption. The stomach's job is to produce and hold digestive acid and enzymes. When antacids are used regularly, the stomach senses this and, over time, increases its acid production rate set point. Taking antacids to reduce acid can lead to the production of excessive acid and more discomfort. They can be counted on to produce malabsorption of minerals. My point is they should NOT be used on the regular basis. Although it IS calcium; Calcium carbonate is an insoluble salt that must be ionized by stomach acid before it can be absorbed therefore if there is little stomach acid it will NOT work. This is a tricky subject that my professor had to explain to us. Also everyone wonders if you should be giving the calcium carb everyday well this is why I dont. Its best they get calcium that does not have to be converted.
I hope I explained it to where you understand because I know it took a while to understand what my prof was saying. A little bit Im sure would not hurt them but the question is what is a little bit? Here is a website http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/36/1/32 it may not let you view the whole article. At this website it even says it clearly at the bottom under Tips and warnings. http://www.ehow.com/how_3953_absorb-calcium-supplements.html
Madkins007 said:shmily1605 said:This is a tricky subject that my professor had to explain to us. Also everyone wonders if you should be giving the calcium carb everyday well this is why I dont. Its best they get calcium that does not have to be converted.
What kind of calcium does not have to be converted?
Also, what kind of class was this?
DeanS said:shmily1605 said:DeanS said:The thing is...TUMS are pure calcium...that's the antacid! This is why so many people drink milk when the get an ulcer.
Dean Im not sure you understand what I am saying. Stomach acid is required for good mineral absorption, including calcium & magnesium. Calcium carbonate antacids neutralize the stomach acid needed for their absorption. The stomach's job is to produce and hold digestive acid and enzymes. When antacids are used regularly, the stomach senses this and, over time, increases its acid production rate set point. Taking antacids to reduce acid can lead to the production of excessive acid and more discomfort. They can be counted on to produce malabsorption of minerals. My point is they should NOT be used on the regular basis. Although it IS calcium; Calcium carbonate is an insoluble salt that must be ionized by stomach acid before it can be absorbed therefore if there is little stomach acid it will NOT work. This is a tricky subject that my professor had to explain to us. Also everyone wonders if you should be giving the calcium carb everyday well this is why I dont. Its best they get calcium that does not have to be converted.
I hope I explained it to where you understand because I know it took a while to understand what my prof was saying. A little bit Im sure would not hurt them but the question is what is a little bit? Here is a website http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/36/1/32 it may not let you view the whole article. At this website it even says it clearly at the bottom under Tips and warnings. http://www.ehow.com/how_3953_absorb-calcium-supplements.html
I completely understand...and understood it the first time in Kinieseology 20 something years ago! Calcium carbonate only disrupts the system if you overdose! I know a lot of people who do (or did) take like 10 Tums a day (in divided dosages). But if you (or your tort) take the minimum amount (1 or 2 for us...I would imagine <.25 for a hatchling - yearling) once or twice a week it's not going to hurt anything...Just as in most things...COMMON SENSE!
MichelleCarrigan78 said:I was also curious about using TUMS for calcium, Thanks for the info, i'll keep using the cuttlebones
shmily1605 said:The calcium found in foods was sort of a gimme- I had intended the question to be more what SUPPLEMENTAL calcium does not have to be converted, but that was a fair response.
I researched Calcium citrate before I chose Calcium carbonate. What bothered me about ciltrate is the lower percentage of calcium in a same-sized dose. It is acidic and the particles are finer and it is absorbed more readily, but you need roughly twice as much citrate to accomplish what carbonate does (citrate- 21% elemental calcium by weight, carbonate is 40%)
I know citrate is recommended for people with reduced stomach acid, etc. and is the form often used in juices, etc.
What I am not sure about is whether anyone has ever tested the two head to head in herbivorous tortoises.