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I'm hoping your tortoise gets well!!! I'm sorry, I live in Mi. I hope someone recommends a decent vet for your tort!!
 

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Whilst I agree that, on balance, it sounds likely this tortoise received a dose of vitamin A by injection, and that is the cause of the signs... we don't know this. The OP states that it received vitamins...... how? orally? by injection? And what were they...? at what dose?

To the OP - I would suggest you DO go back to your original vet, and say that you would like a full explanation of what he/she gave the tortoise, and why, and show them what has happened... a good vet should be happy to be questioned, and be prepared to answer those questions to the best of his/her ability. Once that is done, you can then make a more informed decision on what to do.... if you aren't happy, I would suggest you seek a second opinion. You don't have to have any more treatment from your original vet if you don't want it, but I think its really important you talk it all through with them. Like someone has already said - at the very least, if they have overdosed your tortoise with vit A, its important they realise this!

Hope thats helpful
John
 

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Also, I feel compelled to comment......
The new vet should NOT inject anything into rear legs and explain why.

Why exactly should the vet NOT inject anything into the rear legs?! I assume you are concerned about the renal-portal system of reptiles? If you are, you should know that the significance of the renal-portal system on drug elimination/excretion is rather questionable. It makes sense to err on the side of caution, and not inject potentially nephrotoxic drugs (for instance, aminoglycosides) into the rear legs, just in case. But for most drugs, injecting into the hind limbs is fine, and I do it frequently.
 

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I too am not a fan of the rear leg injections.....just not.
But why? Its obviously fine if you think this, but you should justify statements like this, otherwise it's tantamount to scaremongering. A lot of excellent, renowned reptile/tortoise specialist vets would be happy to inject into the back leg.....
 

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Also, I feel compelled to comment......


Why exactly should the vet NOT inject anything into the rear legs?! I assume you are concerned about the renal-portal system of reptiles? If you are, you should know that the significance of the renal-portal system on drug elimination/excretion is rather questionable. It makes sense to err on the side of caution, and not inject potentially nephrotoxic drugs (for instance, aminoglycosides) into the rear legs, just in case.

Exactly for the reasons you mention. As a vet I use told me, why play Russian roulette when you don't have to.

The few papers I read on questionable renal system and drug elimination significance also point out at conclusion that further research is needed and until then to err the safe side front legs are recommended to administer nephrotoxic drugs.

As a side note, we have seen number of cases here on the forum of animals condition spiraling down rapidly following antibiotic injections administered into rear legs, followed by death within couple days.
 

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but you should justify statements like this, otherwise it's tantamount to scaremongering.

See here, you have made an unjustified statement yourself...as you have no way of knowing my reasoning for my opinion---and I in no way am required to justify anything to anyone, especially just because I am told to, period. Now, if I felt like elaborating, I would have. As I said..

I too am not a fan of the rear leg injections.....just not.

There are few vets that know what the hell they are doing when it comes to reptiles...hell, there is no exact science for them(reptiles)...and if anyone cares to debate that --then start a new thread and lets go....but, when a vet says "lets see what this will do" or "lets try this"...I am less than impressed that I have this person in front of me that "in theory" thinks they know what to do...but in all actuality they do not.

The structure of a tortoise would clearly lead a reasonable person to select the front part of the tortoise to administer any injections....my opinion, my thought my view.
 

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I heard (its another one of those old 'sheep' things) that when you inject in the rear leg the injection tends to be pee'd out through the kidneys sooner than if you use a front leg. It's just something I was following (like a sheep) because someone with more knowledge than I said it.
 

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We're getting off topic. If we want to continue this part of the thread, I can move it to the 'health' section and title it "Injections in the rear legs?"

let me know
 

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Hope your tort gets better. I went to a vet that also claimed to be a reptile on(the only experience I think she had was helping a bearded dragon with light impaction) she wound up killing my gecko who I loved very much, not to mention the money I spent on all the medicine and visit.
 

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