You have One tortoise don't use THEY

[Maggie3fan]

Just make sure you don't ever call yourself US, Tammy.

Crap Tammy...YOu are they..an honest they...at least in our minds...Oregon is so much more stupidly liberal than California...This is my granddaughter...she decided at age 8 she was uncomfortable in her skin and she was a "they them". After a few years she became Alyx. A boy who has big boobs and has her partner who was born male and now SHE is getting injections, she is 6'4" of very ugly woman, the injections are giving her/him (my call) boobies. So damn phoney. I believe they use that description giving them permission to dress and act in a stupid ugly attraction getting way.

if she feels like a male wtf is she doing dressing like a circus streetwalker...Frankly, it's very... oh hell, I really don';t know what it is...clownish, ugly and so disruptive to a family. And I feel soooo sad for her

She belongs to my daughter in law...but I have been her gramma since she was 4. She says she's male, but I grew up on the streets of San Francisco, part of the Haight/Ashbury and Castro scene. I am not new to this, I have a gay 54 year old son...he is very masculine and has had the same male partner for 30 years or so...but they know they are gay and it ain't no thing...I cannot see them marching in a gay rights (Rainbow) parade...This thing in Oregon is carried out about as far as you can get..they SCREAM dysfunction..ok...I'm done...I'm guessing the farther out she/he/them gets, the madder I get... but I need to stop...lol
Guess I should make some sort of joke about...remember when my male Sulcata "Knobby" became Mary Knobbins??? Remember when my male Redfoot Red, became Layla? So this disease runs in my damn family...lol
oh and this way of dress in some form or another is daily dress...she does cover up when she goes to work, but still with the make up and strange clothes. She works finding housing for the houseless population in Corvallis...for the county...

 

[Raquel1978]

I just refer to mine as he and she (before anyone asks they are housed and kept totally separate) ..
My youngest one is she as she has a pretty face and the older one always looks grumpy.
A few years down the line I'll probably be proved wrong but I don't think they will hold it against me.

I'm sure those that have a issue with certain words can just leave them posts to the people that don't mind.

 

[wellington]

I just refer to mine as he and she (before anyone asks they are housed and kept totally separate) ..
My youngest one is she as she has a pretty face and the older one always looks grumpy.
A few years down the line I'll probably be proved wrong but I don't think they will hold it against me.

I'm sure those that have a issue with certain words can just leave them posts to the people that don't mind.

It's not a matter of having a problem with those posts. It's the fact it's a waste of time. Are we talking one, two, three or more? It, he, she, says one. They could be two or more. Oh wait, nope, it's just one.
Sometimes it's not even in the first post. So you answer, help out with whatever the problem is. Then in their next post it's they. Now you go back and reread what you think you must have missed. Nope, didn't miss anything to suggest there is more then one. So now you waste time getting clarity of how many there actually is. See, sometimes the suggested help for one will be a bit different if there are two living together. Knowing from the get go if there is one or multiple would be helpful for those willing to help.

 

[Littleredfootbigredheart]

It's not a matter of having a problem with those posts. It's the fact it's a waste of time. Are we talking one, two, three or more? It, he, she, says one. They could be two or more. Oh wait, nope, it's just one.
Sometimes it's not even in the first post. So you answer, help out with whatever the problem is. Then in their next post it's they. Now you go back and reread what you think you must have missed. Nope, didn't miss anything to suggest there is more then one. So now you waste time getting clarity of how many there actually is. See, sometimes the suggested help for one will be a bit different if there are two living together. Knowing from the get go if there is one or multiple would be helpful for those willing to help.

Barb I appreciate you’ve actually kept more to your point and not the political side of people referring to themselves as ‘they’ even if it’s something you don’t understand either.

The responses that are referring to the confusion of why people identify with the pronoun ‘they’ are quite disappointing tbh, we’re a tortoise forum, this thread will read horribly if a non binary person comes across it! We’re meant to be inclusive towards everyone regardless if we understand why they don’t want to be called ‘he’ or ‘she’

Crap Tammy...YOu are they..an honest they...at least in our minds...Oregon is so much more stupidly liberal than California...This is my granddaughter...she decided at age 8 she was uncomfortable in her skin and she was a "they them". After a few years she became Alyx. A boy who has big boobs and has her partner who was born male and now SHE is getting injections, she is 6'4" of very ugly woman, the injections are giving her/him (my call) boobies. So damn phoney. I believe they use that description giving them permission to dress and act in a stupid ugly attraction getting way.
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if she feels like a male wtf is she doing dressing like a circus streetwalker...Frankly, it's very... oh hell, I really don';t know what it is...clownish, ugly and so disruptive to a family. And I feel soooo sad for her
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She belongs to my daughter in law...but I have been her gramma since she was 4. She says she's male, but I grew up on the streets of San Francisco, part of the Haight/Ashbury and Castro scene. I am not new to this, I have a gay 54 year old son...he is very masculine and has had the same male partner for 30 years or so...but they know they are gay and it ain't no thing...I cannot see them marching in a gay rights (Rainbow) parade...This thing in Oregon is carried out about as far as you can get..they SCREAM dysfunction..ok...I'm done...I'm guessing the farther out she/he/them gets, the madder I get... but I need to stop...lol
Guess I should make some sort of joke about...remember when my male Sulcata "Knobby" became Mary Knobbins??? Remember when my male Redfoot Red, became Layla? So this disease runs in my damn family...lol
oh and this way of dress in some form or another is daily dress...she does cover up when she goes to work, but still with the make up and strange clothes. She works finding housing for the houseless population in Corvallis...for the county...

This post was a particularly uncomfortable read, why are we putting this person on this platform, likely without permission, for everyone to comment on? I’ve always loved interacting with you maggie, but this post feels wrong on multiple levels

 

[Maggie3fan]

Barb I appreciate you’ve actually kept more to your point and not the political side of people referring to themselves as ‘they’ even if it’s something you don’t understand either.

The responses that are referring to the confusion of why people identify with the pronoun ‘they’ are quite disappointing tbh, we’re a tortoise forum, this thread will read horribly if a non binary person comes across it! We’re meant to be inclusive towards everyone regardless if we understand why they don’t want to be called ‘he’ or ‘she’

This post was a particularly uncomfortable read, why are we putting this person on this platform, likely without permission, for everyone to comment on? I’ve always loved interacting with you maggie, but this post feels wrong on multiple levels

I apologize for offending you...but, my granddaughter puts herself out there and these are the mildest I could find on her Facebook page... now you might know how I feel in public with her...I really am sorry you are offended, but this is everyday life in Oregon...

 

[Maggie3fan]

The responses that are referring to the confusion of why people identify with the pronoun ‘they’ are quite disappointing tbh, we’re a tortoise forum, this thread will read horribly if a non binary person comes across it! We’re meant to be inclusive towards everyone regardless if we understand why they don’t want to be called ‘he’ or ‘she’

If that type of person does come on and read that...they will understand, if they are genuine, as they will have had something like that happen or seen it happen. You are offended because you don't live in a city where my granddaughter is the norm. Now we will leave it be...if you are offended don't reread it cuz, I'm done talking about it...

 

[Littleredfootbigredheart]

I apologize for offending you...but, my granddaughter puts herself out there and these are the mildest I could find on her Facebook page... now you might know how I feel in public with her...I really am sorry you are offended, but this is everyday life in Oregon...

I’m confused on what you’re saying they identify as, so I’m going to refer to them as ‘she’.
She has the choice to put herself out there on her own personal platforms, but has no say on her grandmother posting her to a public forum where her pictures are open to scrutiny from strangers.

“she is 6'4" of very ugly woman, the injections are giving her/him (my call) boobies. So damn phoney. I believe they use that description giving them permission to dress and act in a stupid ugly attraction getting way…. if she feels like a male wtf is she doing dressing like a circus streetwalker...Frankly, it's very... oh hell, I really don';t know what it is...clownish, ugly and so disruptive to a family. And I feel soooo sad for her”

You call her ugly, but I find these words quite ugly tbh, I’d never berate a family member on a platform like this, no matter how I felt towards them and their identity. If you truly feel that uncomfortable being in public with her, then maybe don’t be? If our younger generation only acted/dressed to appease older family members, what kind of authentic life is that to lead? If you’re not causing harm to anyone, why not be able to express yourself how you want outside of a professional setting?

I’m not necessarily offended, more just bummed to read this kind of thing on here, it just isn’t appropriate or the place

 

[wellington]

I’m confused on what you’re saying they identify as, so I’m going to refer to them as ‘she’.
She has the choice to put herself out there on her own personal platforms, but has no say on her grandmother posting her to a public forum where her pictures are open to scrutiny from strangers.

“she is 6'4" of very ugly woman, the injections are giving her/him (my call) boobies. So damn phoney. I believe they use that description giving them permission to dress and act in a stupid ugly attraction getting way…. if she feels like a male wtf is she doing dressing like a circus streetwalker...Frankly, it's very... oh hell, I really don';t know what it is...clownish, ugly and so disruptive to a family. And I feel soooo sad for her”

You call her ugly, but I find these words quite ugly tbh, I’d never berate a family member on a platform like this, no matter how I felt towards them and their identity. If you truly feel that uncomfortable being in public with her, then maybe don’t be? If our younger generation only acted/dressed to appease older family members, what kind of authentic life is that to lead? If you’re not causing harm to anyone, why not be able to express yourself how you want outside of a professional setting?

I’m not necessarily offended, more just bummed to read this kind of thing on here, it just isn’t appropriate or the place

This is the off topic chit chat section. Exactly the right place on this forum. It was done so members could talk about almost anything that had nothing to do with tortoises.
The honesty of Maggie is refreshing to me. Instead of sugar coating like so many on here do!
Likely only Yvonne knows this person that Maggie is talking about. It's her family and should be able to say what she wants. None of us would recognize her on the street from the pics, none of us likely know her and not likely she is on this forum. I'm not sure she would even care anyway.
We have members that have shared things on here that likely they never would have to someone they personally knew.
This section of this forum is supposed to be kinda a safe place to talk anything that doesn't break the rules.