I don't know that seller, but that is the size and wattage Kane heat mat that I use.
The combo of the Kane mat, RHP, and insulated box keeps my guys in the 80s on a night where outside winter temps are in the 20s here.
Who in s CA heat their tortoise house and who does not, and why?
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I don't know that seller, but that is the size and wattage Kane heat mat that I use.
The combo of the Kane mat, RHP, and insulated box keeps my guys in the 80s on a night where outside winter temps are in the 20s here.
I'm happy to report that Charlie spent last night in his heated night house. I hope it becomes a habit.
Winter time here and @Tom recommends it be in the 80s I believe. So that is were mine is 80-84
The good news is a temporary heat source has been installed and working well. An 18 x 18 Dog Palace Floor Heater (for Chihuahua use) is affixed to the ceiling/lid and stays at a constant 80.
QUESTION about thermostat.
My zilla temperature controller does not accept the 3 pronged items to be plugged in.
Kane mat and RHP are shipped and on the way but they cannot fit with this Zilla temperature controller.
What grounded temperature controller/thermostat can be used ?
A grounded heat controller at Amazon was found but it only has ONE 3 pronged receiver. So far that's the best I can find ... Any suggestions of something better to do this job ? This one is also specified for 'fish tanks', 1000 w. max. Specifically called SHKERRY heat controller.
WANTED a grounded temp. controller with 2 three pronged receivers. Where do you find this?
QUESTION about thermostat.
My zilla temperature controller does not accept the 3 pronged items to be plugged in.
Kane mat and RHP are shipped and on the way but they cannot fit with this Zilla temperature controller.
What grounded temperature controller/thermostat can be used ?
A grounded heat controller at Amazon was found but it only has ONE 3 pronged receiver. So far that's the best I can find ... Any suggestions of something better to do this job ? This one is also specified for 'fish tanks', 1000 w. max. Specifically called SHKERRY heat controller.
WANTED a grounded temp. controller with 2 three pronged receivers. Where do you find this?
This one will work for you:
https://jet.com/product/detail/a22a...ec9e0dd36baf&gclid=CMWRrISK7sgCFZWDaQod0LgE5w
You can buy a 3 pronged strip outlet or you can use any number of plug in adapters that will allow you to plug multiple things into it.
https://jet.com/product/detail/a22a...ec9e0dd36baf&gclid=CMWRrISK7sgCFZWDaQod0LgE5w
You can buy a 3 pronged strip outlet or you can use any number of plug in adapters that will allow you to plug multiple things into it.
Thank you. Such a relief to hear that what is ordered should work. Will definitely try using an adapter with it.
Why wouldn't the floor heater attached to the ceiling not work as a permanent solution?
Hmmm...just maybe it would ! It still needs a temperature controller to ensure accuracy. It would be a bit less expensive using the Dog Palace floor heater (only 40 watts too). When the temperature controller arrives the constant temperature can be verified. It is not considered a permanent solution because the Dog mat was originally intended for our cats and Chihuahuas to use. It is just something we had on hand to keep the tortoise comfortable until the recommended heating devices arrive.
Because Sherman is a BIG sulcata in a small 4' x 4' house the 40 watt ceiling Dog Palace heater MIGHT work with the floor kane mat and sufficiently keep his house warm enough when it is real cold ( 30 ). Since we are new at this it seems best just to go with the recommended heating devices.
Maybe others can offer opinions about this too.
Thank you. Charlie is pretty big too and his house is relatively small as well. I think I need more heat and I'm confused about the best place to add it. He has a CHE in the ceiling.I don't know whether to add more heat in the ceiling or the walls, or both. I don't understand how to decide between a heat mat and a RHP. I don't have room for an oil heater or radiator. My house is 3 x 4, and 2 feet tall.
It seems to me that in the wild, tortoises mostly get their heat from the top. I could be completely wrong about this. Snakes and lizards sit on warm rocks to warm up, but I thought tortoises move into the sun and let the sun heat up their shell. So I wonder if a heat mat on the bottom is the right solution. It rarely gets down to 30 here. Our lows are mostly in the 40s.
I hope I can get some opinions since I feel lost.
It was nice to see on your earlier post that Charlie IS using his heated box
. I have not heard of anyone putting heat on the side walls.It seems your temperatures are similar to ours. The RHP ceiling heater and
the Kane heater on the floor will take up zero space in a cozy night box. Maybe a small Kane heater on about 1/2 of the floor space would work good.
I'm pretty sure someone more knowledgeable than I will be along shortly to add advice.
Thanks for your reply. Charlie didn't use his box last night and today it is colder. We're getting some rain.It was nice to see on your earlier post that Charlie IS using his heated box
It seems your temperatures are similar to ours. The RHP ceiling heater and
the Kane heater on the floor will take up zero space in a cozy night box. Maybe a small Kane heater on about 1/2 of the floor space would work good.
I'm pretty sure someone more knowledgeable than I will be along shortly to add advice.
Because they don't give off all that much heat and the heat is not projected down onto the tortoise where you need it.
One 40 watt heat mat will not keep things warm enough on a cold winter night. I'll bet Razan will realize this when she checks the temp tomorrow morning.
I uses to use these in the past for this purpose too. I now strongly recommend against them. They concentrate too much heat in too small of an area and the bigger the tortoise, the worse it is. If the CHE is close enough to the tortoise to warm the carapace, then it will eventually slow burn the keratin, while the rest of the tortoise is still too cold. It does not have to be all that warm for this to occur. No one knows what part of the tortoises body tells it that it is warm enough and that it should move away from a heat source. The carapace can be just a little too warm, warm enough to cause damage, but because the tortoise is breathing cooler air and the head, limbs and plastron are still cooler, it doesn't move. Over time the top of the carapace "cooks".
Wild tortoises use belly heat the same as any other reptile.
Theories and guessing aside, belly heat, used the right way, has proven to be a good strategy for large sulcatas over several decades now. I find that the combo of a Kane heat mat and the RHP over head is ideal, and let me tell you, I've tried just about everything.
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I've never seen how side heat can work well unless the tortoise can't reach it. The Kane mats don't project heat out well, so they don't work well in this application. The RHPs will not stand up to the abuse of a large sulcata rubbing on them. Kane mat underneath and RHP over the top works well for me.
I get my RHPs here:
http://www.reptilebasics.com/rbi-radiant-heat-panels
I usually use the 80 watt version.
Thank you. Isn't it better to get one without a thermostat so you can hook up a thermostat to all your devices?
Thanks. I saw this site but I wasn't sure if they were the right ones.
In the past, heat mats would sometimes malfunction. Usually do to operator error, but sometimes without an explanation. Mr. Kane began imbedding a failsafe thermostat into all of his pads so that if they go above 108 for any reason, they shut off. Aosl, in contrast to the thermostats usually found on store bought devices, Mr. Kane's thermostats that come with his pads now are actually quite accurate and hold a temp where you want it.
These additional and redundant thermostats, when used in addition to your regular separate reptile thermostat, give you a level of safety that was not available before. Any thermostat can fail and for a wide variety of reasons. The cheap $30 ones that some of us use (me included here…) do have a reputation for failure sometimes. If you set the Kane mats thermostat for a little higher than the Zilla or Hydrofarm thermostat and the Zilla or Hydrofarm fails and sticks on, the Kane mat will keep the temp where you want it and safe. If the Kane thermostat fails to, at the same time, then the fail-safe thermostat embedded into the pad will STILL prevent your tortoise from getting burned.
3 levels of safety that actually work. Me likey.
Good thing you successfully convinced Albert to install the RHP and Kane heater
. They are going in upon arrival. Thank you noting specifically the 40 watt will not be enough to keep things warm. It eliminates any temptation to just use the temporary 40 watt full time. It will all be done properly real soon.ANYTHING for a happy tort !
