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Tidgys Dad said
Yes.
Most species of tortoise are listed as protected by CITES (the Convention In Trade of Endangered Species of flora and fauna.)
You need paperwork to move them from country to country and if they are wild caught or don't have a certificate saying they were captive bred then they cannot be removed from their country of origin even if they have nowhere else to go and can't be released safely back into the wild.

That`s the same in Germany. You need a certificate of the breeder of your tortoise ( mine all have this certificate ) or you need a CITES certificate for them. With one of these certificates you have to register all your tortoises to a central registery. If you don`t register your torts, it`s possible that they were taken away by the office and you can do nothing against that.
To get the CITES is really paperwork and not easy.
 

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Can managers be banned from future matches? They should be - terrible example to set.
They'll be banned from the touchline and have to watch from the stands probably for 3 matches.

Mourinho got a stadium ban during his first term at Chelsea. Rumour was that he tried to get himself smuggled in by hiding in a laundry cart.
 

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Kristoff said
Since we're on the subject, I wanted to ask you, roommates, what you would think about the idea of letting them out in the wild.
1. I don't trust human beings very much here when it comes to torts. They tend to see torts as cheap/free accessory for the front lawn.
2. The person I do have in mind for a potentially good tort mom might be leaving Turkey or Izmir within a couple of years. She won't be able to take them in all likelihood.
3. They are in their native climate and probably exactly around their original geographic region. As such, acclimatization won't be a problem.
4. The biggest downside in my opinion is that Elsa has been with humans long enough not to be shy of any human or pet or a new situation.
I'd appreciate your advice a lot. If I do release them, I want to do it in mid-spring so they have time to get used to their new surroundings.
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Poor Lena ! I am really sorry to hear of your problems.
I think it is a 50 : 50 thing:

When you give your torts in other hands it is 50% that they will be treaten well or bad.
When you release your torts into the wild, it`s 50% that they will survive.

I don`t know what I would do. It is very difficult. As @Lyn W already said: Are there zoo`s or sanctuaries in Turkey that would take them ?
 

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Nope.
But I have so many security devices and ad blockers etc that i never get anything much.
I think he probably has a rootkit or something on his PC. I have posted a couple of free anti malware links that I find reliable. Using both gets most things.
 

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I was home alone last night which is very rare!!
I watched Man Up on Netflix and I thought is was funny!! I loved it!!
Have you seen it?
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Glad you had a great night, Kathy!
Our movie of choice was "Arrival", a very clever, non-traditional Sci Fi with linguistics rather than guns playing the leading role.
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I was home alone last night which is very rare!!
I watched Man Up on Netflix and I thought is was funny!! I loved it!!
Have you seen it?
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Nope.
But i also like Simon Pegg, he's a great comic actor and has also done Doctor Who and been a narrator of Who stuff as well as being a fan.
 
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