Junie Moon has stopped eating

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My eastern box turtle, Junior Moon, has stopped eating. Eating. This has been almost a month and a half.

She's seen a veterinarian who knows turtles well. Additionally, I conferred with a vet who had seen her her when I lived in another town.

The first vet x-rayed her to check for egg binding. Negative there. Also checked her to see if she was going into a hibernation mode. Negative there also.

He instructed me to hold off on anything other than observing her. To keep an eye on her weight. If she lost 10% of her body weight, that's when to worry. To make sure she's getting UVB and UVA lighting. To keep her in an appropriate enclosure with appropriate substrate. To make certain she had food available at all times if she wanted to eat again. All of this I did and have done for a while.

The second vet I conferred with 4 weeks into this problem. She said wait and watch.

Her weight has been steady for two weeks now, since I started measuring it. That is, her weight weight has been steady compared to her weight when she first went in to see the vet. If anything, her weight has gone up a hair.

I am sick with worry. No matter what the vets say, this is a long time in my estimation for the turtle to go without food. The first vet said she might be eating strata. Has anyone heard of this? She's not pooping when she has a bath, so that seems unlikely.

Despite what I see as less muscle, she moves around her enclosure all day long. Long. And burrows into the substrate and moss. She's alert, almost hyper-alert, keeping her head extended and up.

I've also noticed she doesn't seem to protest as much, moving her arms about. I don't know how to check for muscle mass, I could swear there is less strength and muscle coming from her shoulders that I can touch just inside her shell.

Please, if anyone has had a similar situation and the turtle survived, give me a little hope here. Did you have to do anything special other than wait? Could a new type of substrate help? I changed it out for a new type just a week and a half after she stopped eating. I wanted to see if that might be part of the problem. She did not start up again, obviously.

Thank you.
Mitch
 

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I forgot to mention, humidity of her enclosure is steady at 70% to 80%. I mist her regularly. She is very close to a very large window where she gets natural sunlight. I have rotated her diet, what she's been offered— canned box turtle food, mashed berries, like strawberries, leafy greens. One vet said if I could pry her jaws open I should force a green puree into her mouth. Has anyone ever heard of force feeding a turtle?
 

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Have you offered the turtle food that moves. . . garden worms, etc.
 

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I could be way off base here, but maybe she is wanting to brumate?
I think this is the answer. She came out of her stupor a month and a half ago with a full appetite. She's been more mobile and certainly more engaged in her environment. Thank you. I know it was a long time getting back to you.
 

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I could be way off base here, but maybe she is wanting to brumate?
I think this is the answer. She came out of her stupor a month and a half ago with a full appetite. She's been more mobile and certainly more engaged in her environment. Thank you. I know it was a long time getting back to you
Have you offered the turtle food that moves. . . garden worms, etc.

It was some sort of walking cremation.. She came out of her stupor a month and a half ago with a full appetite. She's been more mobile and certainly more engaged in her environment. Thank you. I know it was a long time getting back to you.
 

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I think this is the answer. She came out of her stupor a month and a half ago with a full appetite. She's been more mobile and certainly more engaged in her environment. Thank you. I know it was a long time getting back to you
Brumation...(cremation voice recognition trying to thwart me).
 

McGinley

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My eastern box turtle, Junior Moon, has stopped eating. Eating. This has been almost a month and a half.

She's seen a veterinarian who knows turtles well. Additionally, I conferred with a vet who had seen her her when I lived in another town.

The first vet x-rayed her to check for egg binding. Negative there. Also checked her to see if she was going into a hibernation mode. Negative there also.

He instructed me to hold off on anything other than observing her. To keep an eye on her weight. If she lost 10% of her body weight, that's when to worry. To make sure she's getting UVB and UVA lighting. To keep her in an appropriate enclosure with appropriate substrate. To make certain she had food available at all times if she wanted to eat again. All of this I did and have done for a while.

The second vet I conferred with 4 weeks into this problem. She said wait and watch.

Her weight has been steady for two weeks now, since I started measuring it. That is, her weight weight has been steady compared to her weight when she first went in to see the vet. If anything, her weight has gone up a hair.

I am sick with worry. No matter what the vets say, this is a long time in my estimation for the turtle to go without food. The first vet said she might be eating strata. Has anyone heard of this? She's not pooping when she has a bath, so that seems unlikely.

Despite what I see as less muscle, she moves around her enclosure all day long. Long. And burrows into the substrate and moss. She's alert, almost hyper-alert, keeping her head extended and up.

I've also noticed she doesn't seem to protest as much, moving her arms about. I don't know how to check for muscle mass, I could swear there is less strength and muscle coming from her shoulders that I can touch just inside her shell.

Please, if anyone has had a similar situation and the turtle survived, give me a little hope here. Did you have to do anything special other than wait? Could a new type of substrate help? I changed it out for a new type just a week and a half after she stopped eating. I wanted to see if that might be part of the problem. She did not start up again, obviously.

Thank you.
Mitch
Thank you all. It looked like walking brumation, if there is such a thing. She came out of her stupor a month and a half ago with a full appetite. She's been more mobile and certainly more engaged in her environment. Thank you. I know it was a long time getting back to you.
 

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Thank you all. It looked like walking brumation, if there is such a thing. She came out of her stupor a month and a half ago with a full appetite. She's been more mobile and certainly more engaged in her environment. Thank you. I know it was a long time getting back to you.
Vets don't know much about caring for chelonians. Yours sure doesn't seem to. Your turtle was showing all signs of brumation, and at that time of year, the lack of appetite would have been the first and biggest clue pointing toward that.

I am very glad that all is worked out now. Here is a thread explaining all of that for this coming fall:
 

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So glad she managed to survive all the vet visits, ignorance and stress during her attempt to brumate! Whew. Time to celebrate and treat her like a queen!
 
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