a veterinary pathologist opinion....
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Watching from start to end. Thank you for sharing!
There are some slow parts since it is more of a free wheeling discussion than a presentation but it is definitely worth listening to. There is some discussion of the challenges in dealing with veterinarians that are applicable to many of the threads on this forum. Also lots of talk of emerging diseases in tortoises (and turtles too).
The cheloniacast group has a podcast/video they did with Dr. Elliot Jacobson that is another fantastic resource for tortoise disease information. That one is almost 4 hours long so maybe steer clear of that one @TammyJ
The cheloniacast group has a podcast/video they did with Dr. Elliot Jacobson that is another fantastic resource for tortoise disease information. That one is almost 4 hours long so maybe steer clear of that one @TammyJ
i could watch that whole video , but i could not watch a movie that lasted over an hour 20 minutes........ i could read an 800 page technical book , but i couldn't even read "of mice or men", or "animal farm" in school......i have an entire room of my late wife's books, novels and biographies, takes imagination to read and watch that stuff, i don't have that........It immediately started putting me to sleep. But that's just me...!
i'm planning on watching that too, i've read a lot of these guys work.... the videos are pretty cool, to me......
i never knew stuff like that was there .......
Thanks for sharing this.
I really like Dr Oz. The times I've spoken with him in the past, he was extremely willing to help and take time to really understand my concerns. We need more folks like him doing work on tortoise diseases.
i watched the 4 hr one , that took me 2x to get through it , due to time ....... it was excellent ... i doubt my own conclusions/opinions until i see folks like these validate them...... i've read a lot of Jacobsons authored/co-authored papers , was nice to see him talk about them and himself........ any veterinarian i ever personally knew had a lifelong love of animals......
the thought that comes to my mind after watching this one....... " an inconvenient truth"..............
It has been a long time since I watched this one. Which part are you taking about?
actually all three i seen contained a fair amount of "inconvenient truths", unless one believes they are not "truths"....... very cool videos........
I don't think many people realize the state of tortoise keeping these days. I truly believe the situation is dire, maybe even hopeless. Due to bottlenecks in their captive populations many species of tortoise are hopelessly contaminated by any number of serious diseases. Sulcatas, Leopards, Stars, Manouria, Radiateds, Galapagos, Kinyxis, and on an on. "End users" or hobbyists are not having any real diagnostic work done on their sick and dying tortoises. Too many breeders either refuse to do so or know they have serious disease and either don't care and continue to sell, or believe they have cured incurable diseases and continue to sell. They know that no one is going to pay for diagnostic work and they aren't going to get caught. There is too much money and pride involved.
People on this forum advise against performing additional diagnostic work. Don't we think it is strange how many sick and dying tortoises we see? I can assure it it is not all because of substrate, humidity and light bulbs. Doesn't it seem odd how few new members stick around here and continue to post photos of their tortoises grow as they grow and thrive over the years?
A smart person would start working on SPF (specific pathogen free) colonies of some of these animals before it is definitely too late.
