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Got anything stronger?You want another beer Yvonne?
Sorry I had to go to the gym 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 let me read upDamnit! Im out of popcorn
I like 🍉 margaritasGot anything stronger?
What you watching these daysChubbs wanted a show, but now out of popcorn and had enough. Also because I can! He responds I will answer. But I am done now, important shows to watch.
Ok then forget I made this post , you win I won’t ever adopt any tortoises, you save them the jobs all yours buddy 🦸♂️What you are doing is just as bad! Saving a tortoises from one bad situation just to put it in another bad situation is not saving it!
Lmao 🤭🤭🤭Evanski told her about my comedy
All I can say is CNN. But don't elaborate on it or comment about it as it's against the rules to go there.What you watching these days
Nope, I saved two. That's all I'm doing.Ok then forget I made this post , you win I won’t ever adopt any tortoises, you save them the jobs all yours buddy 🦸♂️
I feel you , I think it’s pretty silly but no big deal 🤙🏼Ugh this is a bit of a bummer how it’s gone down after the positive potential😔
All I can say is, it wouldn’t matter to me how long I’d been doing something, even if I was someone who had been raising tortoise for 50+ years and all seemed well, I’d still want to continue to learn from other experienced, well meaning owners and breeders, I’d never be shut off to expanding my knowledge and keeping up to date with the best husbandry, what’s the point of joining the ultimate tortoise hive mind if you aren’t open to the possibility there’s better ways to do things, none of us here are perfect, everyone’s always learning, some more than others.
I’d also never let zoo care/habitats set my standard, same way I wouldn’t pull a sea world and stick a dolphin in my pool😣
lolNope, I saved two. That's all I'm doing.
Unfortunately there’s just so many reasons not to house different species together, not just aggression, even if things have always been ok, there’s too many risks not worth taking😣I feel you , I think it’s pretty silly but no big deal 🤙🏼
Have you ever randomly divided a group of clutch mates and kept half inside in a proper closed chamber and the other half outside full time? If you ever had, you would understand why I say this. If you ever do it, the difference will be obvious and you will change your mind about this, just as I did. As I said to Evansky, this is true of CB babies even in their native ranges, which could not be more ideal for the species.No one is wrong here.
@Evansky is in a rare situation and lives near myself. In an absence of predators and with our nearly ideal climate, I've also kept RF hatchlings that hatched and thrived outdoors and did very well.
Of course a controlled environment can and does eliminate many issues and many dangers. But being in the right place. Set up correctly is not just possible. It's been pretty easy to do.
Otherwise I'd pile on the remarks about the dangers. Etc.
It's great advice and almost always my side of the conversation.
In this case, it isn't. At least not fully.
My experience has been an exception to this particular rule. This member has actually taken in a few rescue females I had a few years ago.
Zoos set a horrible example of how to care for tortoises and we say it here all the time. I say it to the ZOOS. I complain about it to anyone that will listen.Also idk if you guys have ever been to any zoo or wildlife parks Sulcata are always kept in high numbers in small enclosures mixed with red foots , I’ve literally been to 4 places like this in the last month , I’m not saying it’s right but it happens and these are places charging people money and have the money to give the animals a better life and I don’t see anyone over there complaining
Alex, as to your PS remark, please read again Posts 68 and 73. This forum has no gang, although it might appear like that to someone who is new. And really, like it or not, some things ARE set in stone because they have been proven beyond a doubt to be reliable and effective for best tortoise care. My final input here on this thread. Nuff respect!Can someone provide examples of troubles when mixing species? E.g. links to posts?
What I see about mixing species
1. Disease transmission - in a group living together for a long time it's less an issue. But when introducing new tortoises to the group this can happen - no matter if species match or not.
2. Different care requirements. This can be a factor, but both Redfoots and Sulcatas probably enjoy the climate. In more arid and hot regions this wouldn't work that nice - redfoots will require shaded and humid area. However, if they eat from the same dish - that's where problems may arise: fruit, animal matter and mushrooms will upset sulcata's stomach easily. This can be addressed.
3. Aggression and competion for resources (water dishes, basking spots, shade) and silly accidents. This probably is the most serious. Mixing species in zoos is a bad example here (I have seen a redfoot rushing and ramming Testudos in zoo exhibition). Some of such behaviour can be noticed (e.g. redfoot "basking" in a full midday sun when sulcatas sleep in shade), some is not that easy (e.g. when some tortoises don't self-soak). Accidents is about sulcatas doing usual stuff not caring about stepping on and pushing neighbours).
4. Chronical stress - that's hard to assess. Just some tortoises losing weight, being less active than others, getting sick often... Easy to spot in pairs of the same species, though.
Points 3 and 4 probably require an "emergency" plan on separating tortoises by species or removing "a****holes" from the group.
Are there more reasons I have overlooked here?
P.S. this thread looks upsetting... reminds me of a school gang explaining "the rules" to a newcomer.
It appears that way to people who are not new as well.Alex, as to your PS remark, please read again Posts 68 and 73. This forum has no gang, although it might appear like that to someone who is new. And really, like it or not, some things ARE set in stone because they have been proven beyond a doubt to be reliable and effective for best tortoise care. My final input here on this thread. Nuff respect!