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Hi. I have a 6 year old leopard tortoise named Frankie. I joined this forum after I got him and it's been amazing! Well, now I have a sulcata. He was found by some locals and they tried to find his home, but eventually needed to find a home for him so they came to me because we have land and they knew I had Frankie and that I would make a good home for him. So, needless to say, I don't know his age. He seems to be 60-70 pounds and in good health. We have named him Sully. When we first took him in, we kept him in an old dog pen approximately 8x8 until we could figure out what to do with him. We let him out for several hours a day into our fenced in yard and he had as much space as he wanted to roam and eat grass and weeds. We would put him back in the pen at night to keep him safe. In the pen, we had a kiddy pool that we turned upside down and crushed and put water in it so he could easily get in and out. We know he went in it daily because we found urates (creamy like toothpaste and not crystalized or hard) in the water. He seemed to be happy and thriving. We didn't like the pen situation, obviously, and knew it was only temporary. We have several large paddocks and one leads into our barn. We took him out to the paddock, and he was able to safely stay out there and eat grass and weeds as long as he wanted. We would take him into the barn at night to sleep and stay safe. After a couple days, he started going into the barn around 6-7pm by himself and hunkering down in there for the night. He seemed very happy and enjoyed wandering around the large paddock and grazing on grass/weeds. We live in central Florida and the weather would allow us time to build him a heated night house before it starts getting cold. Well, hurricanes Helene and then Milton came and the nights got down into the 60's. We covered him with hay in the barn and he was sleeping on horse mats so it didn't seem like he was too cold. It gets back in the mid 80's during the day. Anyway, to make a long story short (sorry) he has not come out of the barn on his own for the last week or so. I bought a tobaggan so I could put him on it and "slide" him out of the barn into the paddock so he could get sun and food. Once out there, he will roam and eat and then put himself back to bed around 5pm. The kiddy pool is out there, but now he finds no interest in that any longer. He is pooping -- although it's not as soft as it once was. He is peeing with urates -- still creamy but a little thicker than before. I'm guessing the cold spell we had at night did not sit well with him. He does not have a runny nose or sound congested. He is eating -- when pulled out of the barn to do so. I think if I didn't do it, he would stay in the barn. We are building his night house this weekend and I have the Kane mat and attempting to order a RHP or get a chicken brooder from TSC. Does anyone know why he's no longer getting into the pool or freely coming out of the barn to graze? The pool is in the sun, so the water is warm. He also has several low bowls out there that he can drink from. When do I start to worry about dehydration? On a separate note, Frankie has been doing the exact same thing since the hurricanes. He would stay in his house if I didn't bring him out. I can easily soak him as he is only 25 pounds or so and can't get out of the container. But he's not eating much at all and isn't very social. Any thoughts or suggestions as to what is happening? I know Sully was not as warm as what was needed in the evenings, but it was only for a short time that it was like that. The barn stays pretty warm so I know it wasn't as cold as the outside air. BTW, Frankie and Sully live nowhere near each other. We live on 5 acres and they are each at separate ends of the property. Oh, I bought another kiddy pool and filled it with water and picked him up (ugh!) and put him in it. He kept trying to get out and I kept holding him in it. He seemed very unhappy with that situation. Do I keep doing that? Thank you for any assistance.
 

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They need to be kept at 80 degrees specially at night. Get him a heated night box or for now a heated night area to sleep. Keep that area as a warm spot for the day time too, Incase it's cooler out and he needs a warm spot to go. In the mornings, it might help to get some lights in there to turn on to brighten the area up so he isn't in the dark to know it's day time, if there isn't any lights or sunlight shining in.
 

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Congrats on the new family member. I'm not an expert and have a lot to learn. I have two sulcata tortoises one I bought and one is a rescue. Can you post some photos of Sully? The aging is going to be hard, there are a number factors that affect growth. If Sully was give proper care he could be around 10 years, but even that is not always true as some tortoise grow faster than others. My rescue (Quinn) was not give the correct care, we know the age and looking at growth data form the Tortoise Forum Quinn is half the avg size for the age.
As for the behavior change hard to say, maybe the experts can help.
Soaks are important as you know. Sully is a big boy so it my help to use food (Green, Hibiscus, etc) to get him into the pool.
Good luck and I wish you the best.
 

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Here are a couple of pics of him for size and condition.sully 1.jpgsully 2.jpg
They need to be kept at 80 degrees specially at night. Get him a heated night box or for now a heated night area to sleep. Keep that area as a warm spot for the day time too, Incase it's cooler out and he needs a warm spot to go. In the mornings, it might help to get some lights in there to turn on to brighten the area up so he isn't in the dark to know it's day time, if there isn't any lights or sunlight shining in.
 

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Of course building a insulated box inside the barn will be more efficient to heat up in the long term.
Yes, that's the plan for this weekend....hopefully. Worried about finding building supplies since the hurricanes; however, I'm hoping that Lowes/Home Depot are keeping supplies stocked.

I opened up the barn doors all the way and turned on a light as suggested by another and he came out into the paddock and grazed and soaked up the sun. I really appreciate all the advice from everyone! He has the cutest personality and has been a great addition to our family!
 

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I've seen that people are recommending the Inkbird thermostat; however, when I look at it, the plug/outlet has both heating and cooling. I won't have anything to provide cooling, so does that only leave me one outlet? I have the RHP and pig mat that need to be plugged in. Can someone please clarify how this works -- I'm not very good at this kind of stuff.
 

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I've seen that people are recommending the Inkbird thermostat; however, when I look at it, the plug/outlet has both heating and cooling. I won't have anything to provide cooling, so does that only leave me one outlet? I have the RHP and pig mat that need to be plugged in. Can someone please clarify how this works -- I'm not very good at this kind of stuff.
Don't get the type with cooling and heating. They have other types. It can be confusing, so you do have to read a little bit.

You can plug a six strip outlet into the thermostat to give you room to plug more stuff in, when needed.

Keep him over 80 at night. The insulated shelter protects them from more than just cold.
 

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You lucked out...he's pretty...how is your place with predators? I live in Oregon with various other wildlife. I have a tort shed as any tort here must be kept warm and happy all winter...You maybe worry about large snakes etc in Florida...? That tort must be kept warm at night. 85 degrees mostly...I dug out a pond for my box turtles, but this tort loves to swim...100_5049.JPG
If "I" kept tortoises in your area, they would have a warm box for cool nights and a pen to contain the tort when needed. I have doggie doors on my shed and whatever tort can go and come, but they are put to bed the same time and place every night until he puts himself to bed. I understand you have the room, I use cinder block to create an enclosure...100_7677.JPG
 

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Don't get the type with cooling and heating. They have other types. It can be confusing, so you do have to read a little bit.

You can plug a six strip outlet into the thermostat to give you room to plug more stuff in, when needed.

Keep him over 80 at night. The insulated shelter protects them from more than just cold.
Thank you!! That was really helpful.
Because i don't know his personality well at all yet, I'm curious, will they drink if water is readily available to them and soak if that is available as well? I have a difficult time lifting him to put him in the kiddy pool to soak -- it would be helpful to know if he will go in it again when he's ready. He did it before, so I'm hoping he will continue to do so. Also, similar question, will he go into the insulated night house on his own? I will show it to him and encourage him to go in -- but will he learn to like the heat in there and go in on his own? If not, do I need to scoot him in it? The shelter will be inside our barn, but the barn is not heated. But it does protect him from the elements if he chooses to come out of the insulated shelter. I have to physically pick up my leopard tort and put him in his night house because he will just huddle in a corner of his outdoor area and won't go into the night box on his own, which is frustrating because once he's in there, it's warm and he doesn't want to come out.
 

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Congrats on the new family member. I'm not an expert and have a lot to learn. I have two sulcata tortoises one I bought and one is a rescue. Can you post some photos of Sully? The aging is going to be hard, there are a number factors that affect growth. If Sully was give proper care he could be around 10 years, but even that is not always true as some tortoise grow faster than others. My rescue (Quinn) was not give the correct care, we know the age and looking at growth data form the Tortoise Forum Quinn is half the avg size for the age.
As for the behavior change hard to say, maybe the experts can help.
Soaks are important as you know. Sully is a big boy so it my help to use food (Green, Hibiscus, etc) to get him into the pool.
Good luck and I wish you the best.
Thank you for your response! I posted some pics of Sully. I found that he loves the tortoise pellets so i'm wondering if I put a few in the pool if it will entice him back into it! Thanks, again!
 

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You lucked out...he's pretty...how is your place with predators? I live in Oregon with various other wildlife. I have a tort shed as any tort here must be kept warm and happy all winter...You maybe worry about large snakes etc in Florida...? That tort must be kept warm at night. 85 degrees mostly...I dug out a pond for my box turtles, but this tort loves to swim...View attachment 381790
If "I" kept tortoises in your area, they would have a warm box for cool nights and a pen to contain the tort when needed. I have doggie doors on my shed and whatever tort can go and come, but they are put to bed the same time and place every night until he puts himself to bed. I understand you have the room, I use cinder block to create an enclosure...View attachment 381791
Oh my goodness, I love that he enjoys swimming! That's super cute! I was thinking of digging a shallow hole and filling it with cement to create a little pond for Sully. I think if it's shallow enough, I can sweep it out when needed and easily refill. I've only seen black rat snakes -- and supposedly they are a "good" snake, if there is such a thing. But I've never seen one around where we keep Sully as there are no trees or brush -- just short grass and weeds for Sully to eat. Sully goes in the barn when it gets hot and then comes back out later to enjoy the early evening temps. Then he puts himself to bed in a corner of the barn with hay - and now I have a radiant heater hanging there -- until we can get the insulated shelter built for him, which will be within a few days hopefully. The barn door is closed up at night so no predators can get in. The paddock he hangs out in during the day is fully fenced. I've been watching for any signs of him digging, but I've not seen anything yet.
 

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Thank you!! That was really helpful.
Because i don't know his personality well at all yet, I'm curious, will they drink if water is readily available to them and soak if that is available as well? I have a difficult time lifting him to put him in the kiddy pool to soak -- it would be helpful to know if he will go in it again when he's ready. He did it before, so I'm hoping he will continue to do so. Also, similar question, will he go into the insulated night house on his own? I will show it to him and encourage him to go in -- but will he learn to like the heat in there and go in on his own? If not, do I need to scoot him in it? The shelter will be inside our barn, but the barn is not heated. But it does protect him from the elements if he chooses to come out of the insulated shelter. I have to physically pick up my leopard tort and put him in his night house because he will just huddle in a corner of his outdoor area and won't go into the night box on his own, which is frustrating because once he's in there, it's warm and he doesn't want to come out.
Sometimes they will drink or soak on their own and sometimes not. And this can change seasonally too.

Get help lifting into the soaking tub, and use a large rose trough that the tortoise can't see or climb out of. Once they get over about 40 pounds, I consider it a two person job. These carts are expensive, but they are essential for anyone with a tortoise over 25-30 pounds, and no other cart works as well. You just tip it down, slide the tortoise in and tip it back up. The large wheels make traversing the rough terrain of a tortoise pen no problem.
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Most of them will go into their night house all on their own after a brief introductory period. Just put the tortoise in there every night, and then again on hot days or cold days. When they come out of it, they usually learn to go back into it. Some of them take a day or two, and I've had a few that took two months, but every single sulcata I've ever had learned it eventually.

These were great questions! Feel free to ask more.
 

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Sometimes they will drink or soak on their own and sometimes not. And this can change seasonally too.

Get help lifting into the soaking tub, and use a large rose trough that the tortoise can't see or climb out of. Once they get over about 40 pounds, I consider it a two person job. These carts are expensive, but they are essential for anyone with a tortoise over 25-30 pounds, and no other cart works as well. You just tip it down, slide the tortoise in and tip it back up. The large wheels make traversing the rough terrain of a tortoise pen no problem.
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Most of them will go into their night house all on their own after a brief introductory period. Just put the tortoise in there every night, and then again on hot days or cold days. When they come out of it, they usually learn to go back into it. Some of them take a day or two, and I've had a few that took two months, but every single sulcata I've ever had learned it eventually.

These were great questions! Feel free to ask more.
Thank you! I was looking at Rubbermaid stock tanks to soak him in. The farm cart is an excellent idea!
 

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Thank you! The farm cart is an excellent idea. I was looking at Rubbermaid stock tanks for soaking. Is something that is 1' tall high enough to keep him from seeing and climbing out?
 

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Thank you! The farm cart is an excellent idea. I was looking at Rubbermaid stock tanks for soaking. Is something that is 1' tall high enough to keep him from seeing and climbing out?
I have an extra water trough for my cows that is 2' high, but it will work for a short time until he grows out of it.
 
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