Pardalis or babcocki ?

[netsovdennis]

Hi everybody,

I've recently bought A leopard Tortois, but i'm currius knowing wich subspecies she is ? Pardalis og Babcocki. She is 4 years and 9 month old, and her weight is 6 kg / 13 lbs 3.6438 oz. here are some Pictures of her, both from she small, and now.

 

[netsovdennis]

No one knows ??

 

[Tom]

There is no way to tell by looking what the genetics are, especially since so many are mixed nowadays. In your pics I see no South African traits, but there could certainly be some that I'm just not seeing in the small pics on my small screen.

Also the subspecies are no longer considered valid anymore.

You most likely have a tortoise of mixed origins, not a pure South African, and its a nice looking one too.

 

[Yvonne G]

If you paid the going price for leopards in your area, then it's a Babcock. The South African leopards usually sell for more.

 

[netsovdennis]

I thought you mayby could tell by the size and age perhaps ?

 

[netsovdennis]

Or the Colors and prints ??!

 

[Neal]

There's really no way to tell unless you have some history on the adults that produced it.

There is so much variability in leopard tortoises, you really can't tell for sure just by looking at it, but there are some distinct differences between the two main types that may give hints about the tortoises genetics. I am not seeing anything in yours that show South African leopard characteristics, so you have a normal leopard.

 

[netsovdennis]

There's really no way to tell unless you have some history on the adults that produced it.

There is so much variability in leopard tortoises, you really can't tell for sure just by looking at it, but there are some distinct differences between the two main types that may give hints about the tortoises genetics. I am not seeing anything in yours that show South African leopard characteristics, so you have a normal leopard.

But 6 kg in the first 5 years ? Isint that slot ? Ive just seen one leopard for sale, it Weight 4kg and was 14 years old

 

[Yvonne G]

13lbs at 5 years is about normal. My adult babcocks weigh about 25lbs, so if yours gains another 13 lbs in the next 5 years it will be about average in weight for a full grown babcock.

 

[Levi the Leopard]

I have a mutt leopard.. (traits of both in my leopard, his clutchmates and his parents)
He's 3 years old and 7lbs so your weight at 5 years old seems normal to me, too.

Yours is a very pretty leopard with all that light coloring.

 

[netsovdennis]

I have a mutt leopard.. (traits of both in my leopard, his clutchmates and his parents)
He's 3 years old and 7lbs so your weight at 5 years old seems normal to me, too.

Yours is a very pretty leopard with all that light coloring.

Could it be a Mutt leopard Then ?

 

[netsovdennis]

There's really no way to tell unless you have some history on the adults that produced it.

There is so much variability in leopard tortoises, you really can't tell for sure just by looking at it, but there are some distinct differences between the two main types that may give hints about the tortoises genetics. I am not seeing anything in yours that show South African leopard characteristics, so you have a normal leopard.

You say that you really cant ser the difference by looking at Them... But Then you Aldo write, that you cant see Any caracteristics from the South african one ??? I dont understand this

 

[Neal]

You missed a couple of words in my post. I said you can't really tell for sure just by looking at it, implying the best that anyone do is guess with a small probability for accuracy.

 

[netsovdennis]

You missed a couple of words in my post. I said you can't really tell for sure just by looking at it, implying the best that anyone do is guess with a small probability for accuracy.

I understand but what are the distinct differences Then ?

 

[144 Grandpa Turtle]

I have 29 leopard torts , and been raising torts for almost 16 years . And like they said so nicely that now days most not all are mixed . But if I bought a car I would make sure I knew if it it was a ford or Chevy my self if it was important to me

 

[netsovdennis]

I have 29 leopard torts , and been raising torts for almost 16 years . And like they said so nicely that now days most not all are mixed . But if I bought a car I would make sure I knew if it it was a ford or Chevy my self if it was important to me

Hej Grandpa Turtle,
Yes i agree.. and thats why im asking you ! because the girl WHO Sells the tortois dosent have any information on the parrents of the tortois, and thats why i hoped you maby knew.

i just thought the weight on the turtle, comparred with the age maby could give an indication.

But thanks for all the replies !

 

[144 Grandpa Turtle]

Hej Grandpa Turtle,
Yes i agree.. and thats why im asking you ! because the girl WHO Sells the tortois dosent have any information on the parrents of the tortois, and thats why i hoped you maby knew.

i just thought the weight on the turtle, comparred with the age maby could give an indication.

But thanks for all the replies !

I' m sorry if you felt I was aLittle short . But these people are really great and try really really hard to please you . That's why at least once a week I tell someone to get their tort through the TFO . So they get the best that's around .

 

[netsovdennis]

That okay im just very currius og knowing the subspecies in her. Ove Got dine more pictures here!