Thanks diamondbp Here are shots taken at same time as first - there seemed to be quite a bit of tail swishing going on during that soak! I suspected I had a male when I first started reading the forums and read about the v or u shaped notch at rear but then thought vet would know as he said he was a reptile specialist - not much of one though it seems! Will try to get a pic of her plastron next time, Lola is about to have a name change - although Lola was a man in the Kink's song!