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White thing in eye

Discussion in 'Egyptian tortoises' started by Alex Prolucs, Feb 13, 2018.

  1. Alex Prolucs

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    Yesterday, I found this white thing in the tortoises eye after it woke up. Some said it’s just a gummy eye cause it was sleeping and I tried placing a hot humid cotton on its eye and it’s sleeping now, can someone tell me what this is?

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    Hi, that is not a "thing", it is the third eylid that tortoises like other animals have.
    Is your tortoise sick ? Maybe a early beginning of a RI ? When you can see the third eylid there is something wrong with the tortoise.
    Can you tell us more ?


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    Sir.. you sure that’s not just gummy eye? Third eyelid? It’s only in one eye, the other one is good, so.. from the text above it’s not an infection, I think. And I see that the eye was pure white yesterday but today it’s going less.

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    It keeps the eye closed most of time then opens it for like a minute. Sometimes it doesn’t fully open it, leaving a very small part visible to me.

    What do you suggest, sir?
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    Also, I’ve got terramycine.

    When and how to use it?
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    To me it looks like hardened pus - what we call an eye cap. It should come off the eyeball easily. Try to grab it with tweezers, being very careful of the eye itself. Be very gentle in case I'm wrong and it IS the third eyelid.

    You'll have to hold the head out of the shell by grasping it behind the jaws.

    If you can't do that, then buy (if your petshop doesn't have it, you can buy it online) this product:
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    Apply it to the eye several times a day.

    The third eyelid looks more like this:

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    I don't think your picture is showing the third eyelid.
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    What about terramycin? I just bought it today. Will it work?
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    If that white glob is hardened pus, all the medication in the world won't make it go away. It has to be removed. If there is an infection in the eye your medication will be helpful, but will do nothing to remove that hardened pus.
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    If it’s a hardened pus, how can I open his eye? He closes it almost all time he’s awake.
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    Well?
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    The tortoise also breathes bubbles and tears from both eyes... seems like RI?
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    Sounds like a pretty sick tortoise. Should be on antibiotics prescribed by a vet. I think you need to try to find someone there in your area to help you.
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    I don’t think there are reptile vets.. there are only cats and dogs vets.. but I can do a check on some vet I saw before in a few days.
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    I hope it is not too late. I suspected a RI with my very first post.
    A sick tortoise shows the third eylid. That is what I saw.
    To help your tortoise:
    Bump up the temp in the enclosure of 30 C ( 86 F ) day and night. Basking spot 40 C ( 104 F ).
    Bump up the humidity too. 80 - 85 %.
    Soak your tort every day for 30 min. in warm water, 100 F.
    Is the tort still eating and active ?
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    Where did you acquire the tort? How long have you had the tort? What size is the tort? What type of foods are you offering the tort? Yes, there is such a thing as a third inner eyelid, but usually a third eyelid protrudes due to some type of pressure...perhaps a RI...so it matters how you are housing the tort and please give details on what you mean by blue uv bulb :)

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