onarock said:
beauty!
Who's got the smoothest shelled Leopard?
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beauty!
Neal Butler said:
Thanks. Yeah she is big, but not my biggest female. The little guy behind her in this pic is 11". Neal, I think she is an example of why I love babcocki. They can get good size, I love the round shells and I love the speckeled coloration they tend to keep over time. They are a bit more challenging than pardalis, but its worth the work.
onarock said:
Onarock can you take some pic's of your other leo's I would love to see them all how many do you have ?
P. Pardalis are rare(er), supposedly bigger, supposedly easier to keep (although I've never seen a difference in ease of care), but it'd be hard to argue that any pardalis looks better than a good looking babcocki....
Yeah, and YOU'LL be outa business after the first cold spell... we'll see a post asking about Baytril dosages for leopards with runny noses...
Meanwhile, mine will be getting extra hydration by eating the grass with the morning's frost still on it...
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Meanwhile, mine will be getting extra hydration by eating the grass with the morning's frost still on it...
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Neal Butler said:yeah baby! Tyler and Onarock, we should all get together and start Babcocki fever with everyone and put Tom outa business!
that sounds great, but I have a feeling that my p.pardalis would find out and start hating on me. I love them both.
LOL, come on, Tom, I think you're relying on books to tell you that one is more "cold hardy" than another. I've kept them all for years in cold and hot and none does any differently than another. My yellowfoots experience the same cold as my leopards, and my elongateds, and my everything else, and as far as I'm concerned, there's no tortoise species that is more "cold hardy" than another (certainly not a sub species difference). They'll die at 25 degrees, and live at 30. Cold hardiness is a sales pitch.
No, not at all. In fact, I can't remember seeing that in any book. When I picked up the hatchlings it was 53 degrees, overcast and 8:30 in the morning. All the Gpp were up and about, grazing and walking around. One female was even digging a nest. NONE of his other species were out of their heated boxes, including the babcocks. I also saw wild ones running around doing their thing in the 50's down at the Cape Point Preserve in SA. None of my old babcocks were up and moving at those temps.
Further, the climate where they come from is vastly different. You have to think that that means something, don't you?
Like Vince that did the Bowsprit presentation at the TTPG said, if you want Bowsprits to survive, you have to move to an area with the right climate.
Further, the climate where they come from is vastly different. You have to think that that means something, don't you?
Like Vince that did the Bowsprit presentation at the TTPG said, if you want Bowsprits to survive, you have to move to an area with the right climate.
Tom said:
I agree that certain torts are going to be out and about at different temperature ranges than others for sure, I just don't know that I'd call that "cold hardiness." My russians are out more when it's 65 than my pancakes are, but they'd both be dead at 25 degrees LOL. If one could live through 25 degrees, I'd call that one cold hardy.
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Does anyone have pics of an adult p.paradalis? I dont believe I have ever seen one.
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Is the tortoise on the left the same one on your website for sale??? I want to buy that tortoise, I have my Army Bonus coming up in March. I am so going to get a nice tortoise like that one.
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