POSSIBLE PYRAMIDING?

vladimir · Jan 31, 2019

I use these little Acurite temp / humidity gauges inside the enclosure:

AcuRite 00613 Humidity Monitor with Indoor Thermometer, Digital Hygrometer and Humidity Gauge Indicator https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013BKDO8/?tag=exoticpetnetw-20

Tseeman · Jan 31, 2019

Toddrickfl1 said:
I just keep one in the enclosure. You can find these at the hardware store.
View attachment 263730

Nice I have a mini cigar box humidity reader, would you mind taking a picture of your inclusre as I'm researching ideas for a entire new setup. Also do you do closed lid set up?

Toddrickfl1 · Jan 31, 2019

The one I posted earlier is my setup. Mine is a little different then most though because I don't use a UVB lamp and I have my CHE outside the enclosure. It's something I just recently tried. My CHE doesn't run as much with the thermostat because the room the enclosure is in rarely falls below 80 degrees. I would recommend others cut a hole and mount the heat source on top. The last pic is the humid hide.

Tseeman · Jan 31, 2019

Toddrickfl1 said:
The one I posted earlier is my setup. Mine is a little different then most though because I don't use a UVB lamp and I have my CHE outside the enclosure. It's something I just recently tried. My CHE doesn't run as much with the thermostat because the room the enclosure is in rarely falls below 80 degrees. I would recommend others cut a hole and mount the heat source on top. The last pic is the humid hide.View attachment 263732 View attachment 263733 View attachment 263734

Thanks for the pics gave me some ideas what's a Che?

Toddrickfl1 · Jan 31, 2019

Tseeman said:
Thanks for the pics gave me some ideas what's a Che?

Ceramic heat emitter, it puts out heat with no light.

Most people use one of these and a UVB light. Just make sure the fixture you use has a ceramic socket. It will melt the plastic ones.

Tseeman · Jan 31, 2019

Toddrickfl1 said:
Ceramic heat emitter, it puts out heat with no light. View attachment 263735Most people use one of these and a UVB light. Just make sure the fixture you use has a ceramic socket. It will melt the plastic ones.

OH I've saw these before I have a ceramic fixture. Hmm so many options is the problem. If I do a closed chamber I'm worried if that'll be to much cus I have a 2 yr old I need it to all be closed in and just perfect somehow this is gonna take alot of trial and error.

Avuwyy · Jan 31, 2019

Tseeman said:
So should I keep a humidity gauge in his tank and in the hide box?

I have a digital hydrometer which I can rotate from hide to enclosure, you can find these in most pet stores, and they are very easy to maneuver.

tinytortoise · Jan 31, 2019

Tseeman said:
Whats the black tote under neath for? Also what bedding are you using I bought zoo meds cocnute substrate and found a tip to throw seeds in there looks like you have seeds growing as well?

50 gallon Rubbermaid stock tank from tractor supply.

My substrate is currently organic top soil with no additives. Did my best to find a clean and vegetarian source.
I'll link it went I find the name. It's the red organic bag from home depo. Like 2.50 a bag, next time I apply any, I'd bake it to temp to sterilize.

tinytortoise · Jan 31, 2019

Toddrickfl1 said:
The one I posted earlier is my setup. Mine is a little different then most though because I don't use a UVB lamp and I have my CHE outside the enclosure. It's something I just recently tried. My CHE doesn't run as much with the thermostat because the room the enclosure is in rarely falls below 80 degrees. I would recommend others cut a hole and mount the heat source on top. The last pic is the humid hide.View attachment 263732 View attachment 263733 View attachment 263734

You don't supply uvb??

Toddrickfl1 · Jan 31, 2019

tinytortoise said:
You don't supply uvb??

Not artificially indoors, my torts go out for natural sunlight when possible.

tinytortoise · Jan 31, 2019

Toddrickfl1 said:
Not artificially indoors, my torts go out for natural sunlight when possible.

If they're not out everyday you should be supplying it, unless they have a reliable outside enclosure that they're consistently using, every day. It's unhealthy not to supply it. UVB is really important.

An 18 inch fixture is crazy cheap and the florescent tube uvb, I use reptisun 10.0 is going to last for ages. There is no reason not to.

Toddrickfl1 · Jan 31, 2019

tinytortoise said:
If they're not out everyday you should probably be supplying it from what I've read unless they have a reliable outside enclosure that they're consistently using, every day, it's unhealthy not to supply it. Maybe reference your care guide. UVB is really important.

The care sheet in the Redfoot section states they don't even need UVB, check it out. Three to four hours outside a week is plenty UVB (I learned this here on the forum) Tortoises are capable of storing D3 many months as well. I've raised a Redfoot in this manner over a year now that has grown over 600 grams perfectly healthy, and perfectly smooth, with no signs of MBD whatsoever.

tinytortoise · Jan 31, 2019

Toddrickfl1 said:
The care sheet in the Redfoot section states they don't even need UVB, maybe check it out. Three to four hours outside a week is plenty UVB (I learned this here on the forum) Tortoises are capable of storing D3 many months as well. I've raised a Redfoot in this manner over a year now that has grown over 600 grams perfectly healthy, and perfectly smooth, with no signs of MBD whatsoever.

Okay pew, I don't know much about redfoots so obviously go with your care guide.

Toddrickfl1 · Jan 31, 2019

tinytortoise said:
Okay pew, I don't know much about redfoots so obviously go with your care guide.

It's not just Redfoots it's all torts that only need a few hours a week outside for sufficient UVB. If you can get your Tortoise outside a few hours a week, artificial UVB is not necessary. If you live where there's harsh Winters and that's not possible for months then maybe ya provide a UVB lamp indoors. Nothing better than the natural sun.

tinytortoise · Jan 31, 2019

Toddrickfl1 said:
It's not just Redfoots it's all torts that only need a few hours a week outside for sufficient UVB. If you can get your Tortoise outside a few hours a week, artificial UVB is not necessary. Nothing better than the natural sun.

I feel it's a slippery slope for indoor owners it's probably best to supply all the time unless you have designated outdoor enclosure which they regularly receive time in. These are my goals eventually but currently I'll keep my light on it's timer everyday, with my basking lamp.

Toddrickfl1 · Jan 31, 2019

tinytortoise said:
I feel it's a slippery slope for indoor owners it's probably best to supply all the time unless you have designated outdoor enclosure which they regularly receive time in. These are my goals eventually but currently I'll keep my light on it's timer everyday, with my basking lamp.

Ya if your Tortoise lives indoors then definitely provide UVB. This isn't an option for everybody since people live in different areas with different climates.

KS Ruby RF Slippers · Jan 31, 2019

Toddrickfl1 said:
A tote would work much better than a tank and it will have a lid you can modify for your light to fit. Much easier to hold in humidity. Something like this only cost about $8 at Walmart.View attachment 263698

KS Ruby RF Slippers · Jan 31, 2019

What type of substrate is that your using in this tote ??

Toddrickfl1 · Jan 31, 2019

KS Ruby RF Slippers said:
What type of substrate is that your using in this tote ??

Cypress mulch

wellington · Jan 31, 2019

I was alerted to this thread a couple pages back about temps for a leopard. I didn't read all the post from then to the end. If the heat question was answered, well I'm answering it too.
Temp all over day and night 80. Basking temp 85-100 and humidity not lower then 80%. Try to use a true closed chamber, and don't use a mercury vapor bulb. If the enclosure isn't sealed really well or you use a mercury vapor bulb, its likely you will still get pyramiding. Been there done it even though the humidity was always higher then 80.

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