about leopard baby

[ForRaphael]

hello all
Is that the survivability of hatching leopard very low？
one wellknown keeper in our country told me there are 70% leopard baby could not growing up heathily. Is that the truth？

 

[Jodie]

Probably if they are starting them hot and dry and allowing them to eat the incubation medium. I think @Tom has much closer to 100 percent survival using his methods.

 

[Tom]

hello all
Is that the survivability of hatching leopard very low？
one wellknown keeper in our country told me there are 70% leopard baby could not growing up heathily. Is that the truth？

Jodie is correct. Sadly most people start them all wrong and for some reason treat them like a desert species. It desiccates the babies, kills their kidneys and stunts their growth. Many of them die because of this, although I do not know what the percentage is. 100% of the babies that I have hatched survive and thrive using my warm, humid, hydrated methods.

Pass this along to the breeders that are claiming to lose 70%:
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/how-to-incubate-eggs-and-start-hatchlings.124266/

 

[ForRaphael]

thank you @Tom @Jodie Now my hatching leopard is look like Dyskeratosis。the shell is soft and translucidus。little leopard didn't eat anything and sleep day and night . I am very worry about. is this methed could use for these symptom(http://www.tortoiseforum.org/thread...ailing-to-thrive-revived.124820/#post-1156176
or http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/soaking-tortoises.41739/ )？

Jodie is correct. Sadly most people start them all wrong and for some reason treat them like a desert species. It desiccates the babies, kills their kidneys and stunts their growth. Many of them die because of this, although I do not know what the percentage is. 100% of the babies that I have hatched survive and thrive using my warm, humid, hydrated methods.

Pass this along to the breeders that are claiming to lose 70%:
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/how-to-incubate-eggs-and-start-hatchlings.124266/

 

[Tom]

Read this for more explanation.
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/hatchling-failure-syndrome.23493/

Was this baby started dry?

 

[ForRaphael]

 

[ForRaphael]

Read this for more explanation.
http://www.tortoiseforum.org/threads/hatchling-failure-syndrome.23493/

Was this baby started dry?

yes , this baby didn't eat anything three days now , but drink some water with Intestinal probiotics got from the breeder . and take soak with Vitamin、 amino acids daily.

 

[Neal]

hello all
Is that the survivability of hatching leopard very low？
one wellknown keeper in our country told me there are 70% leopard baby could not growing up heathily. Is that the truth？

Yikes! I can't imagine where they got that statistic from. I'd believe it if they meant that about wild populations, but I can't imagine that's a true statistic even for breeders who start theirs off poorly. If it is, it's very sad and can easily be improved upon.

Over the last several years of breeding leopards I have only lost 4 that I am aware of, which all came from the first clutch of my oldest female. Though these were started well and were growing well when they were with me, they did not make it for some unknown reason. Since then I have had no hatchling failures that I have been made aware of. I'm not looking to brag here, I'm simply trying to provide further support that the probability of hatchling survival for those that are started out well hydrated and with good husbandry are a lot higher than what you have been told. I'm sure other breeders here that start theirs off well will have similar results.

I don't agree with a lot of the breeder bashing that happens here, but it sounds like the one you received yours from needs a serious wake up call if they are losing 70% of their hatchlings, and they should be aware of the situation yours is in right now. You ought to suggest they join the forum and educate themselves a bit.

 

[ForRaphael]

Yikes! I can't imagine where they got that statistic from. I'd believe it if they meant that about wild populations, but I can't imagine that's a true statistic even for breeders who start theirs off poorly. If it is, it's very sad and can easily be improved upon.

Over the last several years of breeding leopards I have only lost 4 that I am aware of, which all came from the first clutch of my oldest female. Though these were started well and were growing well when they were with me, they did not make it for some unknown reason. Since then I have had no hatchling failures that I have been made aware of. I'm not looking to brag here, I'm simply trying to provide further support that the probability of hatchling survival for those that are started out well hydrated and with good husbandry are a lot higher than what you have been told. I'm sure other breeders here that start theirs off well will have similar results.

I don't agree with a lot of the breeder bashing that happens here, but it sounds like the one you received yours from needs a serious wake up call if they are losing 70% of their hatchlings, and they should be aware of the situation yours is in right now. You ought to suggest they join the forum and educate themselves a bit.

thank you @Neal , my baby is very weak now, could you please tell me what I should do to let my baby restored to health？

ps: I am using translation software so reply slow

 

[ForRaphael]

@Neal @Tom

 

[Neal]

He looks to be in extremely rough shape. If you have a trust vet that you could take him to, I would start there.

If not, or until you can get him to a vet, keep him warm and hydrated. Keep his body temperature around 90f at all times and make sure he is kept moist. Soakings in a babyfood/water mixture has proven to help in situations like these.

 

[Jodie]

So tiny and beautiful. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if his organs were damaged by early dry conditions, it can't be reversed. All you can do is baby food soaks, keep him well hydrated, humid enclosure and frequent soaks and keep him Warm, over 80F. I would shoot for 90F. Some make it, some don't when they start this way.
By baby food soak I mean half baby food and half water. Carrot or squash is best.
Best wishes.

 

[ForRaphael]

Thank you very much @Neal @Jodie

Can I use a humidifier in the Enclosure to keep high Humidity（80%-95%）？

 

[Neal]

As a temporary measure, I think it would be a good idea.

 

[ForRaphael]

I only use Ceramic heater to keep warm now.Do I need to use UVB lights and Heating lamp or take baby out of Enclosure to beam
Natural light at daytime？

？

 

[Neal]

There are a lot of different things you could do. If I were in your situation, I would take him to soak outside for about 20 - 30 minutes in shallow water with some shade over him so he's not in direct sunlight the whole time (assuming outside temperatures are warm). This should take care of any UVB needs he has and you wouldn't have to worry about any UVB emitting light inside until he is better.

 

[ForRaphael]

There are a lot of different things you could do. If I were in your situation, I would take him to soak outside for about 20 - 30 minutes in shallow water with some shade over him so he's not in direct sunlight the whole time (assuming outside temperatures are warm). This should take care of any UVB needs he has and you wouldn't have to worry about any UVB emitting light inside until he is better.

@Neal Heartfelt thanks to your suggest. the temperature at my place is about 94 in the daytime. and soak with . Carrot or squash like this picture？

 

[Yvonne G]

Yes, but mix it with water to make it runny and absorbable.

 

[ForRaphael]

Yes, but mix it with water to make it runny and absorbable.

Is that if I mix some zoomed Calcium and reptivite in it will be better ？

 

[Greg T]

Sounds like the breeder is throwing out some bad numbers. There will be some baby deaths for unknwn reasons, but that is a small percentage. Most baby deaths occur because of very poor initial care by the breeder or the uneducated owner. Similar to Neal, I have had no baby losses, but I took one back due to poor care by the owner and I was able to save that one.

Your baby appears to be in a bad condition right now, depending on how far along it is, the odds of survival are low. Here is what I think have had success with for similar situations - get the heat up to around 85 degres F, higher humidity about 80%, soak him twice a day for 15 minutes or so in warm water, get him in direct sunlight outside as much as possible, feed greens, mazuri or whatever he likes to eat so he gets some nutrition, and sprinkle the food with calcium powder twice or three times a week. If you are using a UVB bulb indoors, consider reaplcing it if it is over 8 months or so old. They lose their strength over time and a good fresh bulb will help.

Keep reading the information on the forum and asking questions because there are a bunch of very knowledeable people on here willing to help out.