COLD DARK ROOM

[Tidgy's Dad]

Pretty good
Getting a new radio in my Jeep
As far as this weekend, more work on the tort house
How about you?

Unexpected day off today, just doing some Christmas preparations, and relaxing.
Working all weekend, though.
When do you reckon the tort house will be finished?
(apart from the eternal tweaking ?).

 

[johnandjade]

Reptiles had colour vision and mammals evolved from them, but due to the reptiles dominance during the day the tiny early mammals;for many millions of years became nocturnal in order to avoid most of the diurnal, sun-loving reptiles. Mammals existed by night and just about survived in the reptile dominated world but lost their colour vision as it's not necessary at night.
After the extinction of the dinosaurs (except for birds) and other groups of reptiles and the end of reptile dominance the mammals engaged in a rapid evolutionary expansion to occupy the niches left behind. There was a fierce competition with the birds which didn't evolve into such diverse forms, so finally lost out.
As the birds evolved, in parallel with them new groups of plants diversified and many had symbiotic relationships with birds. The birds ate the fruits, that the plants evolved to attract them, so that their seeds would be spread over the maximum possible area. Now, it's no good if the birds eat unripe fruits that are nasty tasting and have seeds not yet ready to germinate so colour coding evolved to signal to the birds when the fruits were ready (birds still having reptile colour vision). So fruits that are ripe are red, orange, yellow etc, but not usually green. Green means unripe and birds avoid them.
The mammals meanwhile remained with black and white vision, except for a few like dogs or cows that evolved a limited colour vision for their lifestyles, but lacing in some of the spectrum that we see and with fewer photo-receptors per area than we have so the definition is not great.
But the primates, as they evolved in the trees, became fruit eaters, and thus needed to evolve colour vision to see what was good to eat.
So, our colour vision is due to our ancestors having to know when fruit was ripe.

I understand the last bit :/

 

[johnandjade]

I am not going to dispute this. (because we are forbidden on this forum).
But I would say that many religious folk now accept the world is older, and that evolution has occurred, from the archetypes created by God or gods, even if they say that God guides these changes.
I've worked with Christian, Buddhist, Hindu and Muslim palaeontologists who can happily fit evolution into their belief systems.
If people won't acknowledge it or the age of the Earth, then that's fine, maybe they're right, but i'm happy with my own beliefs, as most people are.
Anyway, enough of this.

i got my collar felt for politics

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

Good night.
Gotta clean up party stuff and go home.
Nice talking with you, Adam.

You too, Ed.
Hope you had fun.
Have a nice evening and speak tomorrow, I hope.

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

I understand the last bit :/

Perhaps you could explain it to me, sometime.

 

[johnandjade]

Perhaps you could explain it to me, sometime.

here goes.... ahem ....

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

i got my collar felt for politics

It is right, though.
It does lead to unpleasantness and bad feeling in some cases.
Having said that so does humidity, compact light bulbs and tortoises in pairs!
People disagree and get fierce in defending their positions sometimes.

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

here goes.... ahem ....

Oh, i understand this!
But not certain it explains primate diurnal vision.

 

[W Shaw]

I am not going to dispute this. (because we are forbidden on this forum).
But I would say that many religious folk now accept the world is older, and that evolution has occurred, from the archetypes created by God or gods, even if they say that God guides these changes.
I've worked with Christian, Buddhist, Hindu and Muslim palaeontologists who can happily fit evolution into their belief systems.
If people won't acknowledge it or the age of the Earth, then that's fine, maybe they're right, but i'm happy with my own beliefs, as most people are.
Anyway, enough of this.

You know what I find kind of funny about that whole debate? The fact that people keep blaming Darwin for it. If people actually read Darwin, he really doesn't say anything that would upset anyone's religion. He just states 4 or 5 really obvious things: There are differences between individuals. Some of those individual traits are inherited from parents. Some traits are conducive to survival, and some are not. Not all babies born will live to reproduce. Babies with traits conducive to survival are more likely to survive than babies with traits that aren't conducive to survival. That's basically all he said. Nothing scary in that, for anyone in any religion. Even the incredibly conservative Amish consider those same principles self-evident and use them to breed horses and cattle. So folks can argue forever over where they think the earth and universe came from and all but I wish they'd quit blaming Darwin for it. He wrote about pigeons, not about theoretical physics.

 

[johnandjade]

well that lad I don't like bailed at 1600, ( girlfriends waters broke apparently) so i had to work on till 1800... subsequently meaning i had to go to the pub next door in order to do my homework for the day to report in time

 

[johnandjade]

... every cloud

 

[johnandjade]

It is right, though.
It does lead to unpleasantness and bad feeling in some cases.
Having said that so does humidity, compact light bulbs and tortoises in pairs!
People disagree and get fierce in defending their positions sometimes.

I actually got an istagram (picture sharing on mobile) message from a TFO member... was rather 'female doggy' about a comment from a member?!


in my humble opinion, the gripe was not justified.. a spat happened between them, the 'female dog' was wrong, the usual refused to listen to experience

 

[johnandjade]

Oh, i understand this!
But not certain it explains primate diurnal vision.

ermmm, AHHAHH! I know, a wizard done it

 

[johnandjade]

so whos the idiot that came out without his thermal wig today

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

You know what I find kind of funny about that whole debate? The fact that people keep blaming Darwin for it. If people actually read Darwin, he really doesn't say anything that would upset anyone's religion. He just states 4 or 5 really obvious things: There are differences between individuals. Some of those individual traits are inherited from parents. Some traits are conducive to survival, and some are not. Not all babies born will live to reproduce. Babies with traits conducive to survival are more likely to survive than babies with traits that aren't conducive to survival. That's basically all he said. Nothing scary in that, for anyone in any religion. Even the incredibly conservative Amish consider those same principles self-evident and use them to breed horses and cattle. So folks can argue forever over where they think the earth and universe came from and all but I wish they'd quit blaming Darwin for it. He wrote about pigeons, not about theoretical physics.

Yes, he wrote an awful lot about pigeons in 'The Origin of Species' , wifey got very bored of it all and never finished the book.
But he admits gaps in evolutionary theory and the fossil record and challenged fundamental beliefs.
Anyhow, it was "The Descent of Man", (which is actually racist in parts), that really threw the evolutionist cat amongst the creationist pigeons.

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

well that lad I don't like bailed at 1600, ( girlfriends waters broke apparently) so i had to work on till 1800... subsequently meaning i had to go to the pub next door in order to do my homework for the day to report in time

Oh, dear!
Poor you!

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

I actually got an istagram (picture sharing on mobile) message from a TFO member... was rather 'female doggy' about a comment from a member?!


in my humble opinion, the gripe was not justified.. a spat happened between them, the 'female dog' was wrong, the usual refused to listen to experience

Sometimes, experience could be a bit more tactful.

 

[johnandjade]

Yes, he wrote an awful lot about pigeons in 'The Origin of Species' , wifey got very bored of it all and never finished the book.
But he admits gaps in evolutionary theory and the fossil record and challenged fundamental beliefs.
Anyhow, it was "The Descent of Man", (which is actually racist in parts), that really threw the evolutionist cat amongst the creationist pigeons.

...wizard

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

ermmm, AHHAHH! I know, a wizard done it

Maybe.
or The Doctor.

 

[Tidgy's Dad]

so whos the idiot that came out without his thermal wig today

Errrmmmm.........
Donald Trump ?