Sep 3, 2019 #21 Tom The Dog Trainer 10 Year Member! Platinum Tortoise Club Joined Jan 9, 2010 Messages 50,395 Location (City and/or State) Southern California Kapidolo Farms said: It could be multiple methods can work? Click to expand... This seems likely to me. So many variables. In time, I hope we begin to see patterns of what works and what doesn't and why.