Help Identifying Hingebacks

[Nhealylley]

I've had these two African Hingebacks for a while now but I've never been quite sure of their gender or species. Any help in identifying them would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Rocky:

In case you're wondering Rocky is eating a grape. Also, he is not in his actual habitat, its just the enclosure I feed them in (to reduce messes in their home as they are such messy eaters).

Marble:

Marble and Rocky Together:

Sorry for the blurry picture. :shy:

I'm pretty sure Rocky is a Kinixys Erosa and I'm also pretty sure that both of them are males because I have witnessed both of them trying to mate with the other at one point or another. I could be wrong so feel free to post what you think. By the way, if you need more pictures, I'd be more then happy to post more. Thanks!

~Nhealylley

 

[Laura]

they will need the underside pictures and tail area...
cute torts.

 

[egyptiandan]

Rocky is like you thought a Kinixys erosa. Marble is a Kinixys homeana. Like Laura said we will need plastron and tail pictures to tell sex.
You really should have these 2 seperate to reduce stress on the both of them, especially if they are 2 males.

Danny

 

[Nhealylley]

Thanks for the help and advice. I'll post some underside pictures when I get a chance.

 

[Redfoot NERD]

Look real close at these gular scutes [ under the chin.. deep V ] and anal scutes on this FEMALE K. erosa -

MALE [ which Rocky is because of that yellow head first ]

Marble.. same ID.. PLUS the K. homeona has the 'nuchal' scute between the front 'marginals' and extreme 'cliff' drop on rear carapace -

.. but usually not the extreme yellow head.

More about the K. erosa -

http://www.turtletary.com/hingeback.htm

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v41/clemmysman/K erosa/

Hope this little extra helps.. these pics should make it real clear for you.

NERD

btw.. the less you handle them the better they will be.

 

[Yvonne G]

Hi Nhealylley:

Welcome to the forum!!

 

[Kristina]

Terry, just so you know, one of my male Home's has a bright yellow head and no nuchal - and is definitely a Home's There are exceptions to that rule.

But I do agree, the first tort is an erosa, the second homeana.

 

[Redfoot NERD]

Terry, just so you know, one of my male Home's has a bright yellow head and no nuchal - and is definitely a Home's There are exceptions to that rule.

But I do agree, the first tort is an erosa, the second homeana.

Show us the ".. but usually not the extreme yellow head." And "PLUS the K. homeona has the 'nuchal' scute between the front 'marginals'.

Kristina.. you know I'd want pic verification. There wasn't any doubt about which was .erosa and which was '.homes'.

 

[Kristina]

Sure thing... I can take more, but these are some I already had.

Yellow head -

No nuchal -

Look at that behind and tell me he is not a Home's

Exceptions to every rule

 

[Jacqui]

Welcome! You have two very nice looking hingebacks and it's nice to have you joining us.

 

[Redfoot NERD]

Sure thing... I can take more, but these are some I already had.

Yellow head -

No nuchal -

Look at that behind and tell me he is not a Home's

Exceptions to every rule

O.K. you asked for this GIRL! { we weely du wuv eachother }

First I must

....... to Kristina.

And demonstrate how I feel when she replies and brings me "inline" -

And - of course - she is correct on all points and I am stupid and inferior!

So I have only one other thing to say.......................













THIS is yellow -

NERD

 

[Kristina]

That's it - be prepared for new pictures tomorrow..... It just isn't fair to bash my inferior, poor quality photobucket dregs of indoor glumness.

Nothing to say about the lack of nuchal, then, Terry dear?

 

[Redfoot NERD]

That's it - be prepared for new pictures tomorrow..... It just isn't fair to bash my inferior, poor quality photobucket dregs of indoor glumness.

Nothing to say about the lack of nuchal, then, Terry dear?

Actually Kristina I was basing that 'nuchal' info from only the dozen or so 'homes' I have seen in-hand. So I actually made that statement on a small number of examples. I said you were right on all other points...... did I not?

I know.... I'm just a moron!

How about this other yellow one? -

NERD

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Forgive us Nhealylley.. I hope you don't mind if we show pics of different K. homeana and .erosa.

Thank you... NERD

 

[Nhealylley]

Thanks for the help everyone! I really appreciate the advice and warm welcomes.

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I don't mind the pictures, Redfoot Nerd, I love to see everyone's tortoises. They are all so cute!