Herman’s - male or female ?

[SiPerry]

Hi all , I’ve had 2 Herman’s from a very young age ( months ? ) since 2002 and have always been led to believe I had a male and female , they are 22 - now I am not so sure . Can anyone advise from these pics ?

 

[Ink]

I think first female second Male my opinion, which I am not expert. Wait for more opinions. 🤔

 

[SiPerry]

I think first female second Male my opinion, which I am not expert. Wait for more opinions. 🤔

Thanks - will wait with interest

 

[Ink]

@wellington or @Yvonne G should be able to help

 

[SiPerry]

Thanks , that would be great if they could help

 

[wellington]

That would be my guess, first female, second one male.

 

[SiPerry]

That would be my guess, first female, second one male.

Thank you , great if that is correct

 

[wellington]

Thank you , great if that is correct

If you could add pics of the vent area on the rails that would help to.

 

[zolasmum]

Are you sure they are Hermanns tortoises - ours, aged 24 looks entirely different ?
Angie

 

[SiPerry]

Are you sure they are Hermanns tortoises - ours, aged 24 looks entirely different ?
Angie

Always thought they were Hermanns - you think maybe Spur ?

 

[zovick]

Always thought they were Hermanns - you think maybe Spur ?

@HermanniChris should be able to give a positive ID on the species.

 

[zovick]

Always thought they were Hermanns - you think maybe Spur ?

For what my opinion is worth, they do not look like Hermann's Tortoises to me. They may very well be Testudo graeca ibera, also known as the Asia Minor Tortoise. Look at the pictures on Chris' web site: https://www.hermannihaven.com/t-graeca-ibera

 

[HermanniChris]

Hi, as Bill stated above, these are not Hermann’s tortoises. They are Testudo graeca ibera and both are in fact males. 👍🏻

 

[SiPerry]

@HermanniChris should be able to give a positive ID on the species.

Hi , thanks

Hi, as Bill stated above, these are not Hermann’s tortoises. They are Testudo graeca ibera and both are in fact males. 👍🏻

Hi , thanks a lot for your help

 

[SiPerry]

Hi, as Bill stated above, these are not Hermann’s tortoises. They are Testudo graeca ibera and both are in fact males. 👍🏻

Hi , Testudo graeca ibera are Spur thigh ? Mine have no spurs , unlike my much older Spur - so I’m confused now 🤫

 

[HermanniChris]

Some T. graeca will lack spurs on the thighs, just like how some T. hermanni will actually have them (seen mostly on specimens from Sicily). This is why general, old information needs to be updated. There is always variation with tortoises, especially the Testudo genus. Always take the animal’s entire appearance into consideration. Hermann’s tortoises look much different than this overall.

 

[SiPerry]

Some T. graeca will lack spurs on the thighs, just like how some T. hermanni will actually have them (seen mostly on specimens from Sicily). This is why general, old information needs to be updated. There is always variation with tortoises, especially the Testudo genus. Always take the animal’s entire appearance into consideration. Hermann’s tortoises look much different than this overall.

Hi , ok - thanks for the clarification

 

[The_Four_Toed_Edward]

Some T. graeca will lack spurs on the thighs, just like how some T. hermanni will actually have them (seen mostly on specimens from Sicily). This is why general, old information needs to be updated. There is always variation with tortoises, especially the Testudo genus. Always take the animal’s entire appearance into consideration. Hermann’s tortoises look much different than this overall.

And this is why Testudos are so hard to id, and me among most other people will wait for an expert like Chris to tell us!