Thanks - will wait with interestI think first female second Male my opinion, which I am not expert. Wait for more opinions.
Thank you , great if that is correctThat would be my guess, first female, second one male.
If you could add pics of the vent area on the rails that would help to.Thank you , great if that is correct
Always thought they were Hermanns - you think maybe Spur ?Are you sure they are Hermanns tortoises - ours, aged 24 looks entirely different ?
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@HermanniChris should be able to give a positive ID on the species.Always thought they were Hermanns - you think maybe Spur ?
For what my opinion is worth, they do not look like Hermann's Tortoises to me. They may very well be Testudo graeca ibera, also known as the Asia Minor Tortoise. Look at the pictures on Chris' web site: https://www.hermannihaven.com/t-graeca-iberaAlways thought they were Hermanns - you think maybe Spur ?
Hi , thanks@HermanniChris should be able to give a positive ID on the species.
Hi , thanks a lot for your helpHi, as Bill stated above, these are not Hermann’s tortoises. They are Testudo graeca ibera and both are in fact males.
Hi , ok - thanks for the clarificationSome T. graeca will lack spurs on the thighs, just like how some T. hermanni will actually have them (seen mostly on specimens from Sicily). This is why general, old information needs to be updated. There is always variation with tortoises, especially the Testudo genus. Always take the animal’s entire appearance into consideration. Hermann’s tortoises look much different than this overall.
And this is why Testudos are so hard to id, and me among most other people will wait for an expert like Chris to tell us!Some T. graeca will lack spurs on the thighs, just like how some T. hermanni will actually have them (seen mostly on specimens from Sicily). This is why general, old information needs to be updated. There is always variation with tortoises, especially the Testudo genus. Always take the animal’s entire appearance into consideration. Hermann’s tortoises look much different than this overall.