Purchasing Fenbendazole

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Hi all,

Curious where you get your fenbendazole? I have dosage information from Dr. Roger Klingenberg's book (Understanding Reptile Parasites) but it's difficult to find 100 mg/ml or 25 mg/ml suspensions. I'd prefer the 25 mg/ml since I'm administering it to a 170g tort.

I did find Safeguard that is 100 mg/ml but it's for goats has anyone used this for tortoises? I'll read the label carefully to ensure there is no ivermectin in it.

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Thanks Angela! I've also seen the paste in the feed stores. I was going to try a solution for goats but the paste may actually be easier to administer. I'll keep researching and perhaps pick some of this paste up tonight.

Feel free to keep the suggestions coming, I'd love to hear personal accounts using this stuff.
 

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I'd love to hear personal accounts using this stuff.

I will be able to let you know here soon...one of the larger redfoots I rescued a couple years back left me a little wiggler in one of his poo's...never had to use the med before this ---so will keep you posted...:p
 

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I also just found this article, which is well written by a DVM and advises against uneducated use of drugs, just thought I'd share:

http://www.sloanmonster.com/index.php?page=WEB+misinfo+article&message=Web+mis-information+article


ascott said:
I'd love to hear personal accounts using this stuff.

I will be able to let you know here soon...one of the larger redfoots I rescued a couple years back left me a little wiggler in one of his poo's...never had to use the med before this ---so will keep you posted...:p

Keep me posted for sure!

I keep finding loose, mucousy stools from one of my redfoots. I've taken in 3 fecals all of which come back negative for anything (some of them were gnarly!). I'm thinking of giving him/her a dose to see if things improve in that department but I'm still on the fence about it.
 

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That is a great piece/article of information(thanks for the share)....and my gut tells me that if you have had three fecals done on that tort and all a clear, then I would not offer the worming meds....I would perhaps offer up a bit more protein and or some mazuri to get the vitamins and supplements up a bit coupled with exercise and sun time in order to help clear the system out completely....but that is just what I would do :D
 

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Re: RE: Purchasing Fenbendazole

Redstrike said:
I also just found this article, which is well written by a DVM and advises against uneducated use of drugs, just thought I'd share:

http://www.sloanmonster.com/index.php?page=WEB+misinfo+article&message=Web+mis-information+article


ascott said:
I'd love to hear personal accounts using this stuff.

I will be able to let you know here soon...one of the larger redfoots I rescued a couple years back left me a little wiggler in one of his poo's...never had to use the med before this ---so will keep you posted...:p

Keep me posted for sure!

I keep finding loose, mucousy stools from one of my redfoots. I've taken in 3 fecals all of which come back negative for anything (some of them were gnarly!). I'm thinking of giving him/her a dose to see if things improve in that department but I'm still on the fence about it.



There are microorganisms that fenbendazole wont affect, that could be causing a mucousy stool. Flagyl is used for that. It is Rx. I would ask what your vet thinks. My vet feels torts who go outside should be wormed yearly regardless of fecal results. A dose of Panacur and a dose of Flagyl. But I get the premeasured meds from my vet. I dont feel confident enough to do it myself, even though I have both of those on hand. (Dogs and horses). Maybe some day I will formulate it all myself.
 

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Hi Ann,
I thought the same thing, but repeated fecals have resulted in no parasites detected. I even took in the real nasty looking BM's but they failed to detect anything. The mucus occurs in strands, so I thought maybe it could be Ascarids...

The tortoise acts relatively normal otherwise but is a picky eater. I'm stumped and not sure what to do. I realize flagyl is Rx only but I have no basis for the vet to prescribe it. I may take a fecal to an another vet and see what they find.
 

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Hi Ann,
I thought the same thing, but repeated fecals have resulted in no parasites detected. I even took in the real nasty looking BM's but they failed to detect anything. The mucus occurs in strands, so I thought maybe it could be Ascarids...

The tortoise acts relatively normal otherwise but is a picky eater. I'm stumped and not sure what to do. I realize flagyl is Rx only but I have no basis for the vet to prescribe it. I may take a fecal to an another vet and see what they find.

Is this an exotics specialist?
I find reg pet vets to be not so helpful. And even vets who dabble in exotics may not be aware enough to know what to tell you. And from what I read here, even the board certified specialists can have erroneous opinions!

I hope you get it figured out. It is so nerve wracking to have a nagging continuous problem. You may have to go the Xray route....
 

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Thank you so much for posting the link to that article written by Dr. Chris Tabaka. He is a very well-known tortoise vet with much experience and well-respected. I KNEW it wasn't a good idea to post dosages on the 'net, but was over-ridden in another thread. Now I have my ammunition! Thanks again.
 

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Excellent article, thank you for sharing. This keeper's policy, is just say no to drugs. Mucous is usually inflammation and inflammation can be due to a very many reasons. Sometimes food is the best medicine. That, and boost on anything that supports the immune system, some probiotics, natural remedies and lastly, patience.
 

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AnnV said:
Redstrike said:
Hi Ann,
I thought the same thing, but repeated fecals have resulted in no parasites detected. I even took in the real nasty looking BM's but they failed to detect anything. The mucus occurs in strands, so I thought maybe it could be Ascarids...

The tortoise acts relatively normal otherwise but is a picky eater. I'm stumped and not sure what to do. I realize flagyl is Rx only but I have no basis for the vet to prescribe it. I may take a fecal to an another vet and see what they find.

Is this an exotics specialist?
I find reg pet vets to be not so helpful. And even vets who dabble in exotics may not be aware enough to know what to tell you. And from what I read here, even the board certified specialists can have erroneous opinions!

I hope you get it figured out. It is so nerve wracking to have a nagging continuous problem. You may have to go the Xray route....

You never know what you're going to get when it comes to medical treatment. I think that goes for pets and people alike. Thanks for the encouragement.

Yvonne G said:
Thank you so much for posting the link to that article written by Dr. Chris Tabaka. He is a very well-known tortoise vet with much experience and well-respected. I KNEW it wasn't a good idea to post dosages on the 'net, but was over-ridden in another thread. Now I have my ammunition! Thanks again.

He seems good to me and I felt uncomfortable putting drug concentrations in my previous thread without something to warn people that dabbling in the unknown can result in bigger issues. My profession allows me a little more liberty with these types of things.

BeeBee*BeeLeaves said:
Excellent article, thank you for sharing. This keeper's policy, is just say no to drugs. Mucous is usually inflammation and inflammation can be due to a very many reasons. Sometimes food is the best medicine. That, and boost on anything that supports the immune system, some probiotics, natural remedies and lastly, patience.

We're sitting tight for now since everything seems normal, just bad looking stools.
 

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Go to beardeddragon.com they have the panacur liquid 2.5%and10% nice size bottle with dose chart every thing you for $10.00.
 

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for sources of many things that might be beneficial to have.

You might also consider oxibendazole by Pfizer.

It's not so complicated, and if you use PubMed you can find 'research' papers demonstrating safety at many times the recommended dose.

Extremely well regarded veterinarians have published books on how to do this kind of thing yourself, I'm hardly breaking ground to suggest it is a simple thing to do for your animals at home.

Some people have majorly messed it up, and their animals died as they did not have familiarity with the metric system, or did not thoroughly read the information so readily available.

It is not wrong, complicated, or bad to deal with this kind of procedure at home. That said, if you struggle to understand what was taught in basic High School Biology, you might just stick with the $100 vet visit.
 

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Will said:
http://www.calvetsupply.com/

for sources of many things that might be beneficial to have.

You might also consider oxibendazole by Pfizer.

It's not so complicated, and if you use PubMed you can find 'research' papers demonstrating safety at many times the recommended dose.

Extremely well regarded veterinarians have published books on how to do this kind of thing yourself, I'm hardly breaking ground to suggest it is a simple thing to do for your animals at home.

Some people have majorly messed it up, and their animals died as they did not have familiarity with the metric system, or did not thoroughly read the information so readily available.

It is not wrong, complicated, or bad to deal with this kind of procedure at home. That said, if you struggle to understand what was taught in basic High School Biology, you might just stick with the $100 vet visit.

Will, you're speaking to a fellow wildlife biologist and I own a couple of those books, one of which I referenced earlier.

I posted the article because I don't want to encourage others that are not familiar with the metric system or biology to use this as some sort of encouragement to administer their own medical treatment.

Thanks for the info.


james1974 said:
Go to beardeddragon.com they have the panacur liquid 2.5%and10% nice size bottle with dose chart every thing you for $10.00.

Will look into this, thanks!


ascott said:
That is a great piece/article of information(thanks for the share)....and my gut tells me that if you have had three fecals done on that tort and all a clear, then I would not offer the worming meds....I would perhaps offer up a bit more protein and or some mazuri to get the vitamins and supplements up a bit coupled with exercise and sun time in order to help clear the system out completely....but that is just what I would do :D

I just saw this Angela. Thanks for the suggestions! I feel similarly, just keeping the Fenbendazole on the back burner for the time being. I just gave Mandarin Mazuri last night, and a hard boiled egg on Mondayk. Things are getting a bit too cold for outdoor time (darn north east weather!) but we did spend a lot of time outside this spring and summer.
Maybe we'll get another warm snap...
 

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The good thing Chris, is that things are coming out. Maybe consider some pumpkin, and see if that will help push more outta there. Perhaps grate some on top of the foods. If you grind and powder the hulled seeds and sprinkle on foods, it helps even more to scrubby stuff out. Out is good. Sometimes animals have a healing crisis, to get rid of things and as things go into the bloodstream and on their way out, our pets can seem very sick but it's just that burst of stuff going out. I am slow on the draw to use meds and usually it turns out they were not needed in the first place. That whole avoid side effects thing. Which can usually be worse than the original problem. Like even death.
 

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BeeBee*BeeLeaves said:
The good thing Chris, is that things are coming out. Maybe consider some pumpkin, and see if that will help push more outta there. Perhaps grate some on top of the foods. If you grind and powder the hulled seeds and sprinkle on foods, it helps even more to scrubby stuff out. Out is good. Sometimes animals have a healing crisis, to get rid of things and as things go into the bloodstream and on their way out, our pets can seem very sick but it's just that burst of stuff going out. I am slow on the draw to use meds and usually it turns out they were not needed in the first place. That whole avoid side effects thing. Which can usually be worse than the original problem. Like even death.

Haha, your first line made me laugh.

I'm not overly concerned with the tortoise currently, s/he just has lots of loose stools (they eat mostly outdoor weeds, then grocery store greens in the winter months) and is a bit of a picky eater. I'm just getting my ducks in a row in case something changes.
 
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