daniellenc
Well-Known Member
Like beating one's head against a wall. But you all must know best.
I extend an olive branch by apologizing for making sweeping generalizations about breeders, and you all continue to jump on my back. So don't worry, if my turtles have a problem that I don't know about (because I can admit when I don't know about something or don't have the absolute truth, unlike some people on this forum who have read a paperback book on turtle care and think they're gurus), I'll just do my best but let the chips fall where they may. Your exclusive club won't be disturbed anymore and you can sit in your pools of self-adulation and moral condemnation. Don't worry, I will watch silently though as you shoot your mouths off to newcomers and each other, and have a chuckle (so will my turtles).
My previous dog was free off of craigslist (ad was up for almost a year and no one wanted a 9 year old GSD mix: the owners were about to euthanize him) and my current dog was $100 from the SPCA, which included spaying, all basic vaccinations, and microchipping, as she had languished in various shelters for over a year, because again, no one wanted an older mixed dog. So I don't need a lecture on the costs of dogs vs turtles, or one in general on proper animal care. You can get a perfectly good pet without spending a lot of money, unless you're getting it for the wrong reasons.
Turtles are all "wild" animals, whether you paid money to a breeder or scooped them up. I've seen plenty of captive-born turtles struggling to get out of their cages. You can pretend they're not wild because you paid for them, if that helps you sleep at night (Budweiser works fine for me though).
Also, maybe someone could work for a private detective agency, because you're so adept at extrapolating data from and analyzing photos. Incidentally that photo I posted was from a 10 year-old flip phone, because I spend a good chunk of money on my turtles' upkeep and not fancy phones. The only time you'll see me in the fresh produce aisle of a real supermarket is for my turts. But I guess I and others like me don't deserve to have them cause we can't or simply don't want to pay breeder fees, reasonable or not. BTW, my turts started eating again the day after they awoke from brumation. Guess I was very negligent in letting them brumate in straw...
Hmmmmmmm, Chicago. I don't think the air pollutants in the urban/suburban environment are appropriate for chelonian lungs, bred or otherwise. To heck with your people feelings, you should move or re-home your turtles. Get the point yet? (Probably not. I'd search through your posts so I can pick apart your turtle enclosure in more detail, but no one appointed me God or Captain Planet. Apparently that's your department)
And I did not name this thread, it got moved from another thread by a moderator because I ignited a firestorm by challenging the group-think that I observed going on there. After watching this forum for months (had an account for 8 months and a whopping 9 posts. Cheesy saying, but you've got two eyes, two ears, and one mouth...), I got tired of reading opinion masquerading as fact and moral imperative, so I stopped restraining my keyboard and responded in a less-than-optimal thread for it.
But regardless, I'll leave you all alone, to your internet and your lousy attitudes.
Adios, I'll make sure the door doesn't hit me in the vent on the way out.
I don't think I understand the animosity? People all disagree from time to time and that's ok and what builds group dynamics. No one is always right or wrong, and some opinions are honestly neither. Take this forum for example- some advocate different substrates, keeping in groups vs. single, there are a ton of opinions on diet, enclosure size, and plenty of other examples where keepers are doing and sharing what is working well for them; and what hasn't. It is up to the individual tort owner to decide what is best for them.
I'm sorry if you felt attacked because many here agree taking in WC animals is harmful to the population but if you look at laws in States where box turtles are indigenous clearly these States agree after seeing a sharp decline of their native species. It is illegal in most States to keep a wild box turtle and many require permits to purchase a CB animal. It would seem to me you as a long time keeper probably have a lot of experience to share. You also could potentially learn something new here which is a win win to me. I also doubt you'd seriously allow your animals to suffer if you needed advice on something you didn't know. You aren't that stubborn!! I don't think people have had poor attitudes but rather expressed themselves passionately because they are genuinely concerned. And your opinion is welcome here whether the majority agree or not.
One distinction I'd like to make is a wild animal is one that was born in the wild. Purchasing a captive bred and born animal is not the same. And you don't maybe agree that CB animals are healthier, easier to maintain, and do better in captivity just a little bit???? For a new keeper acclimating your CB hatchling is not the same as trying to treat and acclimate a WC animal.