Well, where are we here. Weve heard from long term keepers, newbies (despite the request from the OP), breeders and from Richard, Carl and the 5 Icons (roll eyes). Weve had various opinions and no real conclusion. Weve had the OP dismiss his own OP by stating that his opinion is based on the opinion of others and not really his. Weve learned that there is a difference between W.C. and C.B. behavior. To me, I keep going back to what Mick wrote a long time ago, on a thread far, far away, Each individual tortoise has its own personality.