Swill-bram

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Bramble is almost a year old so I wanted to make a post celebrating and also thought I'd give a run down on all my husbandry with him, since I'm new to posting on here and he's also my first tortoise. Just want to share and see if anyone has any thoughts or advice, if maybe I've missed any issues, or just hear if yall think he's grand and seems to be developing okay!
Brams is an eastern hermann's that hatched early July. His last measuring he came in at 3.5 inches (8.89 centimeters) and 143 grams. I am worried this might be on the bigger side? I've seen a big range of sizes people reported for their hatchlings but most year olds it seems are smaller? I'm aware easterns are bigger than westerns though, and he'll also likely be bigger if he's actually a she, but I have seen some people say growing too fast is unhealthy so maybe I need to adjust something so he grows slower?
Diet-wise, I've seen the recommendation that he gets a portion about the size of his shell once a day, which he usually doesn't eat all of. Foraging isn't possible as his main food source here so he gets mostly store-bought greens. I do a red and green leaf spring mix along with another supplementary food from a list that I rotate through (I try to balance what his favourites are with what's actually healthy but the list includes things like cactus, bok choy, collard greens, romaine, and foraged weeds like dandelion or clover when I can actually get them) I do my best to focus on dark leafy greens since I've read that's the best for them, though he makes it a little difficult by being fairly picky.
He also gets calcium powder periodically and about once a week gets soaked mazuri pellets with a little zoo med mixed in sometimes for variety, and when I clean out his table I give him some dried meadow flower mix to graze on.
For his table, the starter I got to be his hatchling nursery is a partially open partially closed chamber wood tortoise terrarium, about 38x24 (96.53x60.86 in centimeters) with about a foot of the length being the covered area where he sleeps and the humidity is the highest (I work to keep it in the mid-80s at least) and the rest being the open area where he basks and eats and rampages.
The open area humidity is more around 60 but ranges, there are some shaded areas and the basking lamp is positioned at one end to give a temp gradient throughout. Right under the lamp it's between 90-95 f (32- 35 c), the rest is between that and the room's ambient temp which is kept at about 70-72 f (21-22 c) during the day and around 65 f (18 c) at night. He's also got a uvb strip, and his stuff is kept on a day/night timer from 8 am to 9 pm. He's of course got a fresh water bowl, and also gets regular soaks (at least an hour in warm water, I used to do daily but started dialing back since he's gotten closer to the year mark)
The substrate I use is a bottom layer of reptisoil with about a four to one ratio of sand mixed in (I know people worry about impaction with sand, but I read it helps a lot with substrate texture and water retention, and his food and water are positioned on smaller rocks to cut down on tracking in substrate and accidentally ingesting it) and a top layer mixed with cypress mulch to also help keep in moisture.
There's also moss and hay, mostly where he sleeps, I keep a close eye to make sure he doesn't eat any of it, it's purely there for helping the humidity and for enrichment, he does enjoy sleeping under the hay sometimes instead of in his hide. And he's also got a clean up crew; spring tails and isopods I've grown a pretty good population of.
This has gotten so long and I can't remember if I was going to say anything else so I'll leave it here! Would welcome any advice or opinions on if he looks like he's developing okay, I'm always SO paranoid about if his shell looks healthy. Or if you don't have any commentary you can also just enjoy the adorable pictures, I also threw in his baby pics just because.
Will out!
 

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Bramble is almost a year old so I wanted to make a post celebrating and also thought I'd give a run down on all my husbandry with him, since I'm new to posting on here and he's also my first tortoise. Just want to share and see if anyone has any thoughts or advice, if maybe I've missed any issues, or just hear if yall think he's grand and seems to be developing okay!
Brams is an eastern hermann's that hatched early July. His last measuring he came in at 3.5 inches (8.89 centimeters) and 143 grams. I am worried this might be on the bigger side? I've seen a big range of sizes people reported for their hatchlings but most year olds it seems are smaller? I'm aware easterns are bigger than westerns though, and he'll also likely be bigger if he's actually a she, but I have seen some people say growing too fast is unhealthy so maybe I need to adjust something so he grows slower?
Diet-wise, I've seen the recommendation that he gets a portion about the size of his shell once a day, which he usually doesn't eat all of. Foraging isn't possible as his main food source here so he gets mostly store-bought greens. I do a red and green leaf spring mix along with another supplementary food from a list that I rotate through (I try to balance what his favourites are with what's actually healthy but the list includes things like cactus, bok choy, collard greens, romaine, and foraged weeds like dandelion or clover when I can actually get them) I do my best to focus on dark leafy greens since I've read that's the best for them, though he makes it a little difficult by being fairly picky.
He also gets calcium powder periodically and about once a week gets soaked mazuri pellets with a little zoo med mixed in sometimes for variety, and when I clean out his table I give him some dried meadow flower mix to graze on.
For his table, the starter I got to be his hatchling nursery is a partially open partially closed chamber wood tortoise terrarium, about 38x24 (96.53x60.86 in centimeters) with about a foot of the length being the covered area where he sleeps and the humidity is the highest (I work to keep it in the mid-80s at least) and the rest being the open area where he basks and eats and rampages.
The open area humidity is more around 60 but ranges, there are some shaded areas and the basking lamp is positioned at one end to give a temp gradient throughout. Right under the lamp it's between 90-95 f (32- 35 c), the rest is between that and the room's ambient temp which is kept at about 70-72 f (21-22 c) during the day and around 65 f (18 c) at night. He's also got a uvb strip, and his stuff is kept on a day/night timer from 8 am to 9 pm. He's of course got a fresh water bowl, and also gets regular soaks (at least an hour in warm water, I used to do daily but started dialing back since he's gotten closer to the year mark)
The substrate I use is a bottom layer of reptisoil with about a four to one ratio of sand mixed in (I know people worry about impaction with sand, but I read it helps a lot with substrate texture and water retention, and his food and water are positioned on smaller rocks to cut down on tracking in substrate and accidentally ingesting it) and a top layer mixed with cypress mulch to also help keep in moisture.
There's also moss and hay, mostly where he sleeps, I keep a close eye to make sure he doesn't eat any of it, it's purely there for helping the humidity and for enrichment, he does enjoy sleeping under the hay sometimes instead of in his hide. And he's also got a clean up crew; spring tails and isopods I've grown a pretty good population of.
This has gotten so long and I can't remember if I was going to say anything else so I'll leave it here! Would welcome any advice or opinions on if he looks like he's developing okay, I'm always SO paranoid about if his shell looks healthy. Or if you don't have any commentary you can also just enjoy the adorable pictures, I also threw in his baby pics just because.
Will out!
Happy Birthday! This is meant for both you and your tortoise, by the way.
 

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Bramble is almost a year old so I wanted to make a post celebrating and also thought I'd give a run down on all my husbandry with him, since I'm new to posting on here and he's also my first tortoise. Just want to share and see if anyone has any thoughts or advice, if maybe I've missed any issues, or just hear if yall think he's grand and seems to be developing okay!
Brams is an eastern hermann's that hatched early July. His last measuring he came in at 3.5 inches (8.89 centimeters) and 143 grams. I am worried this might be on the bigger side? I've seen a big range of sizes people reported for their hatchlings but most year olds it seems are smaller? I'm aware easterns are bigger than westerns though, and he'll also likely be bigger if he's actually a she, but I have seen some people say growing too fast is unhealthy so maybe I need to adjust something so he grows slower?
Diet-wise, I've seen the recommendation that he gets a portion about the size of his shell once a day, which he usually doesn't eat all of. Foraging isn't possible as his main food source here so he gets mostly store-bought greens. I do a red and green leaf spring mix along with another supplementary food from a list that I rotate through (I try to balance what his favourites are with what's actually healthy but the list includes things like cactus, bok choy, collard greens, romaine, and foraged weeds like dandelion or clover when I can actually get them) I do my best to focus on dark leafy greens since I've read that's the best for them, though he makes it a little difficult by being fairly picky.
He also gets calcium powder periodically and about once a week gets soaked mazuri pellets with a little zoo med mixed in sometimes for variety, and when I clean out his table I give him some dried meadow flower mix to graze on.
For his table, the starter I got to be his hatchling nursery is a partially open partially closed chamber wood tortoise terrarium, about 38x24 (96.53x60.86 in centimeters) with about a foot of the length being the covered area where he sleeps and the humidity is the highest (I work to keep it in the mid-80s at least) and the rest being the open area where he basks and eats and rampages.
The open area humidity is more around 60 but ranges, there are some shaded areas and the basking lamp is positioned at one end to give a temp gradient throughout. Right under the lamp it's between 90-95 f (32- 35 c), the rest is between that and the room's ambient temp which is kept at about 70-72 f (21-22 c) during the day and around 65 f (18 c) at night. He's also got a uvb strip, and his stuff is kept on a day/night timer from 8 am to 9 pm. He's of course got a fresh water bowl, and also gets regular soaks (at least an hour in warm water, I used to do daily but started dialing back since he's gotten closer to the year mark)
The substrate I use is a bottom layer of reptisoil with about a four to one ratio of sand mixed in (I know people worry about impaction with sand, but I read it helps a lot with substrate texture and water retention, and his food and water are positioned on smaller rocks to cut down on tracking in substrate and accidentally ingesting it) and a top layer mixed with cypress mulch to also help keep in moisture.
There's also moss and hay, mostly where he sleeps, I keep a close eye to make sure he doesn't eat any of it, it's purely there for helping the humidity and for enrichment, he does enjoy sleeping under the hay sometimes instead of in his hide. And he's also got a clean up crew; spring tails and isopods I've grown a pretty good population of.
This has gotten so long and I can't remember if I was going to say anything else so I'll leave it here! Would welcome any advice or opinions on if he looks like he's developing okay, I'm always SO paranoid about if his shell looks healthy. Or if you don't have any commentary you can also just enjoy the adorable pictures, I also threw in his baby pics just because.
Will out!
He looks pretty good. Here are my thoughts based on what you posted. All that follows is intended to help. You can't fix things if no one tells you what is broken, so here goes:
1. 143 grams at a year old is on the small side, but its not bad. Forced slow growth through starvation and food deprivation is not good for tortoises and never has been, in spite of the huge establishment of tortoise keepers around the world that still think it is. Feed your tortoise as much of the right foods as it wants daily. They are a grazing animal. Let him graze. Sounds like you are giving the correct amount of food daily if he is leaving a little bit.
2. Try to get away from the grocery store greens when you can in favor of more natural foods like mulberry leaves, grape leave, rose of Sharon leaves, a huge assortment of weeds and flowers, etc...
3. Those types of enclosures are not suitable for any species or ant age. They are too open for babies and the wet substrate that is necessary will rot the wood, and they are far too small for grown adults that can handle the dryness better. The dryness caused by the open top with the heat lamp outside the enclosure (chimney effect...) has caused, and is causing pyramiding. Babies are best started in large closed chamber enclosures with all of the heating and lighting contained inside. Pyramiding is caused by growth in conditions that are too dry. Your conditions have been too dry. Along these lines, what type of bulb are you using for basking? Is it a spot type bulb?
4. I see a heat lamp and a UV tube, but where is the ambient lighting? The UV tube only needs to be on for a few hours mid day, and the heat lamp is not bright enough on its own. It should look bright and "sunny" in the enclosure all day. There is no need for a UV lamp to be on 13 hours a day. That is unnatural and doesn't happen that way outside.
5. 60 minute soaks won't hurt anything, but that isn't necessary. 30-40 minutes is plenty. I think skipping a day now and then is totally fine after 100 grams is surpassed.
6. Soil and sand should never be sed for tortoises. You are gambling with his life and I am well aware that many sources of info recommend that. Its wrong and we know better now. The texture and water retention properties of safe substrates work just fine.
7. Moss will be eaten and should be removed. I read that you said that you watch it, but you can't watch hi 24 hours a day, and are you really going to notice if a few nibbles are gone here and there over time? It does nothing, and it poses a risk. All tortoise I have tried using it with ate it eventually.
8. This is not a grass eating species, and grass hay is not used for babies this size even with grass eating species. Hay has no place in a hermanni enclosure. Its a mold risk and it makes an awful mess.

All of this and more is explained here in this thread and all of your questions are welcome:
 
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