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What do the wise people of the TFO think about PETA?

This is a friendly discussion so please share your different opinions and views.
 

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Hey @Ben02

This is a cool thread, because I think it will provide a platform for a peaceful discussion! Too often when people talk about PETA their differing views lead to arguments!

Personally, I think PETA has done some good, they have changed a lot of things that have needed changing. However, I think sometimes they might be a little fast to act.

For instance, at a lab near where I live, the researchers were keeping two dogs in a large pen outside that had nothing to do with their experiments. They were solely pets of one of the technicians who didn’t have a place to keep them at the time. However, supposedly PETA came and stole the dogs and hurt them in some way to publicize the fact that this lab was torturing them, even though from what I’ve heard they were just someone’s pets.

Now this was 15-20 years ago, so I’m not entirely sure this story is 100% the truth, as it seems to have been passed down, but regardless someone seems to have had an extreme run in with PETA that seems like it could have been avoided.

Also, on the monkey case which sort of started up the organization to my knowledge, I personally believe that was a good thing to do, as those monkeys were being mistreated to my knowledge.

I’m curious what others have to say, as the field on this one seems to be pretty different...
 

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Hey @Ben02

This is a cool thread, because I think it will provide a platform for a peaceful discussion! Too often when people talk about PETA their differing views lead to arguments!

Personally, I think PETA has done some good, they have changed a lot of things that have needed changing. However, I think sometimes they might be a little fast to act.

For instance, at a lab near where I live, the researchers were keeping two dogs in a large pen outside that had nothing to do with their experiments. They were solely pets of one of the technicians who didn’t have a place to keep them at the time. However, supposedly PETA came and stole the dogs and hurt them in some way to publicize the fact that this lab was torturing them, even though from what I’ve heard they were just someone’s pets.

Now this was 15-20 years ago, so I’m not entirely sure this story is 100% the truth, as it seems to have been passed down, but regardless someone seems to have had an extreme run in with PETA that seems like it could have been avoided.

Also, on the monkey case which sort of started up the organization to my knowledge, I personally believe that was a good thing to do, as those monkeys were being mistreated to my knowledge.

I’m curious what others have to say, as the field on this one seems to be pretty different...
I do agree that they do some great things. I watched a couple videos recently where they had an “insider” working at petco and he recorded and documented some of the conditions and sicknesses these animals had to deal with. I assume something was done about this particular petco but not a lot of detail was given about that.

After a bit of digging I came across a certain opinion several times, especially on their social media accounts which feature very graphic and extreme images and clips. These people claimed that PETA killed most of the animals they confiscated. This is a bold statement however it shouldn’t be completely disregarded. I’m looking forward to what other people have to say about this matter.
 

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There is nothing friendly about PETA or any other animal rights group. They are villains, and if you are a pet keeper or meat eater, they are your enemy whether you realize it or not. They lie, cheat and steal, literally, to further their political agenda and shut people like us down. They intentionally create falsehoods to emotionally manipulate people into supporting them both verbally and financially. The FBI lists them as a "Terrorist Organization". That is not a joke. Look it up.

Understand the difference between an "Animal Welfare" group, and and "Animal Rights" group. Be very careful and very particular about which one you support.

Animal Welfare groups want to see animals cared for correctly and treated humanely. They are kind people who want to see animals treated with respect and dignity, but still think it is okay to eat a cheeseburger or a turkey dinner. They don't kill shelter animals and they don't want us banned from owning pets or eating fish and chips. They don't make fake videos and lie to the public in order to separate gullible people from their money for their own nefarious purposes.

Animal Rights groups on the other had think pet ownership is akin to human slavery. Your pet tortoise is animal slavery to them, and you are evil for doing it. That cheeseburger was a living animal that had the same rights as you. Eating that cow is the same to them as eating your next door neighbor. The ants invading your kitchen have the same rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness as every human you've ever known. The PETA shelter has a 98% kill rate. Higher than any county shelter in the country, because to them death is better than living as someone's pet/slave. Breeding endangered species? That is nothing more than human exploitation to them. Make no mistake: These people are fringe radicals and they need your help to succeed. They pretend to care about the animals and act all nice to get you to donate to their cause, but they are literally criminals and frauds. LITERALLY.

Want to learn more about who your friends or enemies are? Go to https://usark.org

Don't fall for it people. PETA and HSUS are NOT out friends and they are not friends of animals.
 

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There is nothing friendly about PETA or any other animal rights group. They are villains, and if you are a pet keeper or meat eater, they are your enemy whether you realize it or not. They lie, cheat and steal, literally, to further their political agenda and shut people like us down. They intentionally create falsehoods to emotionally manipulate people into supporting them both verbally and financially. The FBI lists them as a "Terrorist Organization". That is not a joke. Look it up.

Understand the difference between an "Animal Welfare" group, and and "Animal Rights" group. Be very careful and very particular about which one you support.

Animal Welfare groups want to see animals cared for correctly and treated humanely. They are kind people who want to see animals treated with respect and dignity, but still think it is okay to eat a cheeseburger or a turkey dinner. They don't kill shelter animals and they don't want us banned from owning pets or eating fish and chips. They don't make fake videos and lie to the public in order to separate gullible people from their money for their own nefarious purposes.

Animal Rights groups on the other had think pet ownership is akin to human slavery. Your pet tortoise is animal slavery to them, and you are evil for doing it. That cheeseburger was a living animal that had the same rights as you. Eating that cow is the same to them as eating your next door neighbor. The ants invading your kitchen have the same rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness as every human you've ever known. The PETA shelter has a 98% kill rate. Higher than any county shelter in the country, because to them death is better than living as someone's pet/slave. Breeding endangered species? That is nothing more than human exploitation to them. Make no mistake: These people are fringe radicals and they need your help to succeed. They pretend to care about the animals and act all nice to get you to donate to their cause, but they are literally criminals and frauds. LITERALLY.

Want to learn more about who your friends or enemies are? Go to https://usark.org

Don't fall for it people. PETA and HSUS are NOT out friends and they are not friends of animals.
Wow I did not know that they were listed as a terrorist organisation! It makes sense now as they post horrible videos on all social media platforms.

One question for you Tom, why is this allowed to happen? How are they able to do what they do?

Thank you for you opinion aswell Tom, this is really helpful to me as I’m still creating a view of my own.
 

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There is nothing friendly about PETA or any other animal rights group. They are villains, and if you are a pet keeper or meat eater, they are your enemy whether you realize it or not. They lie, cheat and steal, literally, to further their political agenda and shut people like us down. They intentionally create falsehoods to emotionally manipulate people into supporting them both verbally and financially. The FBI lists them as a "Terrorist Organization". That is not a joke. Look it up.

Understand the difference between an "Animal Welfare" group, and and "Animal Rights" group. Be very careful and very particular about which one you support.

Animal Welfare groups want to see animals cared for correctly and treated humanely. They are kind people who want to see animals treated with respect and dignity, but still think it is okay to eat a cheeseburger or a turkey dinner. They don't kill shelter animals and they don't want us banned from owning pets or eating fish and chips. They don't make fake videos and lie to the public in order to separate gullible people from their money for their own nefarious purposes.

Animal Rights groups on the other had think pet ownership is akin to human slavery. Your pet tortoise is animal slavery to them, and you are evil for doing it. That cheeseburger was a living animal that had the same rights as you. Eating that cow is the same to them as eating your next door neighbor. The ants invading your kitchen have the same rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness as every human you've ever known. The PETA shelter has a 98% kill rate. Higher than any county shelter in the country, because to them death is better than living as someone's pet/slave. Breeding endangered species? That is nothing more than human exploitation to them. Make no mistake: These people are fringe radicals and they need your help to succeed. They pretend to care about the animals and act all nice to get you to donate to their cause, but they are literally criminals and frauds. LITERALLY.

Want to learn more about who your friends or enemies are? Go to https://usark.org

Don't fall for it people. PETA and HSUS are NOT out friends and they are not friends of animals.
I agree with Tom 100+, PETA is very over it.
 

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I was a supporter and believer in PETA until I Tom explained things too me. I didnt just take his word, even though his word is good, and did some of my own research.
I no longer support PETA and try to turn people away from supporting or defending them.
Do some research on your own about them. You will be heart broken that you ever supported them.
 

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Wow I did not know that they were listed as a terrorist organisation! It makes sense now as they post horrible videos on all social media platforms.

One question for you Tom, why is this allowed to happen? How are they able to do what they do?

Thank you for you opinion aswell Tom, this is really helpful to me as I’m still creating a view of my own.

One reason - “Freedom of Speech” ....
 

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There is nothing friendly about PETA or any other animal rights group. They are villains, and if you are a pet keeper or meat eater, they are your enemy whether you realize it or not. They lie, cheat and steal, literally, to further their political agenda and shut people like us down. They intentionally create falsehoods to emotionally manipulate people into supporting them both verbally and financially. The FBI lists them as a "Terrorist Organization". That is not a joke. Look it up.

Understand the difference between an "Animal Welfare" group, and and "Animal Rights" group. Be very careful and very particular about which one you support.

Animal Welfare groups want to see animals cared for correctly and treated humanely. They are kind people who want to see animals treated with respect and dignity, but still think it is okay to eat a cheeseburger or a turkey dinner. They don't kill shelter animals and they don't want us banned from owning pets or eating fish and chips. They don't make fake videos and lie to the public in order to separate gullible people from their money for their own nefarious purposes.

Animal Rights groups on the other had think pet ownership is akin to human slavery. Your pet tortoise is animal slavery to them, and you are evil for doing it. That cheeseburger was a living animal that had the same rights as you. Eating that cow is the same to them as eating your next door neighbor. The ants invading your kitchen have the same rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness as every human you've ever known. The PETA shelter has a 98% kill rate. Higher than any county shelter in the country, because to them death is better than living as someone's pet/slave. Breeding endangered species? That is nothing more than human exploitation to them. Make no mistake: These people are fringe radicals and they need your help to succeed. They pretend to care about the animals and act all nice to get you to donate to their cause, but they are literally criminals and frauds. LITERALLY.

Want to learn more about who your friends or enemies are? Go to https://usark.org

Don't fall for it people. PETA and HSUS are NOT out friends and they are not friends of animals.

I didn’t know that they were so against keeping animals in private captive situations, but it makes sense....

Thank you for this input!

I definitely agree they are much too extreme! And their social media is pretty gruesome, I don’t follow them, solely because I don’t need to see what they post!
 

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I do agree that they do some great things. I watched a couple videos recently where they had an “insider” working at petco and he recorded and documented some of the conditions and sicknesses these animals had to deal with. I assume something was done about this particular petco but not a lot of detail was given about that.

After a bit of digging I came across a certain opinion several times, especially on their social media accounts which feature very graphic and extreme images and clips. These people claimed that PETA killed most of the animals they confiscated. This is a bold statement however it shouldn’t be completely disregarded. I’m looking forward to what other people have to say about this matter.
Yes, they do kill animals and also surrender them to kill shelters. They have no, no kill shelters of their own. Their agenda is not in saving the lives of animals in every way we were led to believe.
 

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One question for you Tom, why is this allowed to happen? How are they able to do what they do?

This question really made me pause. There are a multitude of possible and plausible explanations for this. Where to begin?

PETA is evil, but they are not stupid. They are brilliant marketers and they know how to spin information to suit their purposes. They receive millions of dollars in donations annually from people who mean well, but don't understand who and what they are supporting. They use that money to get more and more restrictive animal rights legislation passed. They have teams of lawyers and lobbyists trying any and every avenue they can find to shut down any kind of animal based business. Because of them we no longer have apes or elephants in the entertainment industry. Now they are working on big cats and bears. The people who call the shots are afraid of them and their threats. People like me, who are their target, have to go to work every day. I'm not a politician or lobbyist. No one gives me millions of dollars a year to expose and shut down PETA. Its a one sided fight and despite the principals of freedom, the American way, and right vs. wrong, they are continuously gaining ground. They put people through school and then get them hired into government positions upon graduation, so they can further their animal rights agenda. They pay people to go undercover in animal businesses, and if they can't find anything wrong, they make something wrong, or make something up entirely.

How are they able to do what they do? Because people are gullible. They see the awful pictures, read the spin, and believe the lies. I don't want to start talking politics, but this is reminiscent of so much else that is wrong with our country. PETA are leftists, and their leftist tactics with animals are the same as the left's tactics with other issues. Think about it. We fought two world wars and lost millions of allied soldier's lives to stop the spread and take over of communism/socialism. Now a guy gets on TV and openly admits he's a socialist with a socialist agenda, and roughly half the country wants to vote for him because he's offering free stuff to people that they don't have to earn. Let that sink in... Mind you, the other side isn't any better. All of them are liars and none of them have the interest of America or American's as a priority.

All we can do is talk about and expose the lies. If enough people catch on, we can at least slow their progress.
 

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This question really made me pause. There are a multitude of possible and plausible explanations for this. Where to begin?

PETA is evil, but they are not stupid. They are brilliant marketers and they know how to spin information to suit their purposes. They receive millions of dollars in donations annually from people who mean well, but don't understand who and what they are supporting. They use that money to get more and more restrictive animal rights legislation passed. They have teams of lawyers and lobbyists trying any and every avenue they can find to shut down any kind of animal based business. Because of them we no longer have apes or elephants in the entertainment industry. Now they are working on big cats and bears. The people who call the shots are afraid of them and their threats. People like me, who are their target, have to go to work every day. I'm not a politician or lobbyist. No one gives me millions of dollars a year to expose and shut down PETA. Its a one sided fight and despite the principals of freedom, the American way, and right vs. wrong, they are continuously gaining ground. They put people through school and then get them hired into government positions upon graduation, so they can further their animal rights agenda. They pay people to go undercover in animal businesses, and if they can't find anything wrong, they make something wrong, or make something up entirely.

How are they able to do what they do? Because people are gullible. They see the awful pictures, read the spin, and believe the lies. I don't want to start talking politics, but this is reminiscent of so much else that is wrong with our country. PETA are leftists, and their leftist tactics with animals are the same as the left's tactics with other issues. Think about it. We fought two world wars and lost millions of allied soldier's lives to stop the spread and take over of communism/socialism. Now a guy gets on TV and openly admits he's a socialist with a socialist agenda, and roughly half the country wants to vote for him because he's offering free stuff to people that they don't have to earn. Let that sink in... Mind you, the other side isn't any better. All of them are liars and none of them have the interest of America or American's as a priority.

All we can do is talk about and expose the lies. If enough people catch on, we can at least slow their progress.
Agreed
 

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Yes, they do kill animals and also surrender them to kill shelters. They have no, no kill shelters of their own. Their agenda is not in saving the lives of animals in every way we were led to believe.

"In 2014, according to its own records, it took in 3,017 animals, about 1% of the total number brought to private Virginia shelters. Of those, PETA euthanized 2,455, or 81%. In some prior years that rate had risen to over 90%." - Washington Post


PETA's goal is to eliminate any and all human-animal interaction. No animal testing. No farms. No zoos. No aquariums. No pets.
 

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"In 2014, according to its own records, it took in 3,017 animals, about 1% of the total number brought to private Virginia shelters. Of those, PETA euthanized 2,455, or 81%. In some prior years that rate had risen to over 90%." - Washington Post


PETA's goal is to eliminate any and all human-animal interaction. No animal testing. No farms. No zoos. No aquariums. No pets.
Exactly as I was saying. You said it better, thanks.
 

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I always wonder about people that spend more money on themselves than the charity/organization itself. Not a bad piece of waterfront property! :mad:
 
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