actually they could sell flabts just not to customers in the state.
in either case it is just stupidity
in either case it is just stupidity
Saloli said:Though as a side note if someone has a colony of turtles from the same intergrade zone then they should maintain them as they are part of the genetic diversity in the wild. Though they should be labeled as such not passed off as one of the subspecies.
GeoTerraTestudo said:I've been thinking about this passage for the past couple days. If I go to a part of the US where the range of Terrapene carolina carolina overlaps that of T. carolina triunguis, am I going to find an entire population of intergrades? I don't think so. I think I'll find mostly easterns and three-toeds, with some intergrades mixed in. Isn't that right?
Saloli said:GeoTerraTestudo said:I've been thinking about this passage for the past couple days. If I go to a part of the US where the range of Terrapene carolina carolina overlaps that of T. carolina triunguis, am I going to find an entire population of intergrades? I don't think so. I think I'll find mostly easterns and three-toeds, with some intergrades mixed in. Isn't that right?
Actually in most area there will be mostly intergrades where the ranges overlap. Then there is the area of extensive inter gradation in which none can be assigned to subspecies.
GeoTerraTestudo said:Oh, wow. So those populations should be conserved as such. They're not just mixes. They are their own kind of box turtle.
So, does that mean that crossing an eastern with a three-toed in captivity, for example, does not actually produce an intergrade? If intergrades are their own kind of box turtle found in the wild, then a subspecies cross in captivity would be a cross but not an intergrade, right?
Saloli said:actually they could sell flabts just not to customers in the state.
in either case it is just stupidity
fbsmith3 said:So if they have "Florida Box turtle/ Ornate Box turtle crosses" they can sell all the turtles they want?
Seems to be a pretty big loophole.
Saloli said:By the way if your turtle is a natural cross between a ttbt and an ebt it's species name would be Terrapene carolina without subspecies designation (just thought you might want to know). if you know where you turtle's geographic origin is that might tell you if it is an intergrade.
Hunahpu said:I greatly appreciate the taxonomic info. She was captive born in Las Vegas. Are all TTBTxEastern boxies technically Terrapene carolina?
How would you name these Florida/Ornate mixes?
StudentoftheReptile said:Florida x Ornate hybrid box turtles. Since those are two separate species (T. carolina and T. ornata), these would be hybrids, not intergrades. Of course, the breeder or dealer could get creative and call them something like "Flornates!"