I picked these guys up at the airport yesterday morning. My friend yet again didnt haved room, and now I understande. Between the 4 of them the box weighed 64 pounds. These guys are monsters compared to what has been available the last 7-8 years. The group consist of 2.2 (2 males and 2 females), 2 males are 16" and one female is 17" and the other female is 14". They are lovin the new greenhouse.