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Whats this... a slag off most people... and big a few up thread... geez...
lol this seems too be the statement evryone is in agreement on.its a blanket statement that covers all opinions,which doesn't make it wrong but could and should provide the basis for the arguing too stop and the minds coming together too pool their efforts and come too some solid conclusions,and put it too bed already.egyptiandan said:Always good to have a debate without the principles involved in it.
It's fine to give your take on what was said, tried or done, as it pertains to what your take on it is. Not good though to use what they said to debate this again without them being here.
No I have never given in 1 post or thread what goes into getting or not getting a pyramided tortoise.
No I don't think that the scute material is what pyramids, not sure where that came from.
Here is what I think in a nutshell and it was said very well by kbaker in the pyramiding as an enviromental response thread.
Growing a smooth tortoise is a balancing act. You must balance everything as almost everything affects how a tortoise grows. You must get the balance of vitamins and minerals to produce strong bones, get enough calories into the tortoise to use the vitamins and minerals, prevent dehydration of your tortoise, cut down or eliminate stress.
Every species is different in how much variation, of what they need to grow smooth, they can tolerate and still grow smooth. Some can take a big variation and others can't.
So like I said you can't focus on one thing that will magicly grow a smooth tortoise. Everything has to be taken as a whole and dealt with as a whole. Everything is important in it's own little or big way.
I'll try not to be so "cryptic" in the future
Danny
Redfoot NERD said:Without reading any of this thread -
( per Danny ) It stands to reason that the basic care parameters must be met... I certainly hope that is understood. With that in mind...
Retain high humidity directly on the carapace and your tortoise will grow smooth.
Retain no humidity directly on the carapace and your tortoise will grow not smooth. Nothing "magic" about that.
I have experienced both situations personally since late '90's.. involving 100's of hatchlings since '04.
This simple and easy care can be maintained anywhere on the planet.
Terry K
onarock said:I knew it Tom, you would be on here asking that very thing. Well I'm sure according to you that because neither one of them published anything related to keeping tortoises hot and humid, then not much. I dont want to hijack the thread so I will just say this. Some people here have mentioned "authors" and I have read their stuff. I have also had first hand contact with the two I mentioned and the info that I have received from them make some of these so called tortoise experst books read like "**** and Jane"
Redfoot NERD said:Without reading any of this thread -
( per Danny ) It stands to reason that the basic care parameters must be met... I certainly hope that is understood. With that in mind...
Retain high humidity directly on the carapace and your tortoise will grow smooth.
Retain no humidity directly on the carapace and your tortoise will grow not smooth. Nothing "magic" about that.
I have experienced both situations personally since late '90's.. involving 100's of hatchlings since '04.
This simple and easy care can be maintained anywhere on the planet.
Terry K
stells said:Which species of tortoise are you talking? Redfoots i'm guessing...
Not my pointless... easy to grow... greeks... that fair better than other tortoises... apparently
Redfoot NERD said:Without reading any of this thread -
( per Danny ) It stands to reason that the basic care parameters must be met... I certainly hope that is understood. With that in mind...
Retain high humidity directly on the carapace and your tortoise will grow smooth.
Retain no humidity directly on the carapace and your tortoise will grow not smooth. Nothing "magic" about that.
I have experienced both situations personally since late '90's.. involving 100's of hatchlings since '04.
This simple and easy care can be maintained anywhere on the planet.
Terry K
egyptiandan said:Always good to have a debate without the principles involved in it.
It's fine to give your take on what was said, tried or done, as it pertains to what your take on it is. Not good though to use what they said to debate this again without them being here.
stells said:Whats this... a slag off most people... and big a few up thread... geez...
stells said:Whats this... a slag off most people... and big a few up thread... geez...
egyptiandan said:Don't see where you can say Tom, that a tortoise on a diet that doesn't supply enough vitamins and minerals, but kept humid, will grow well.
So we should all be saying that you can feed your tortoise whatever you want, but keep it humid, and it will grow well.
I'm afraid I don't agree.
Danny
onarock said:How do we know that the "swamp" like conditions being put forth in regards to smooth shells is'nt just overcompinsating for something thats lacking or too much of something else?