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Stellaria media Common Chickweed
Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellaria_media
TTT https://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk/plant-database/viewplants/?plant=86&c=6#.W2h6blVKhaQ
But see this about the alarmist regard for saponins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saponin
USDA Nutrient database no account
Feedipedia No onsite database but they refer to this article https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...en-macerated/549D5894C3A797C082861F9982871BCF
with free access here https://static.cambridge.org/resour...0805:S0021859697004759:S002185969700475Xa.pdf
Capsella bursa-pastoris Shepard's purse (the seeds look like a goat scrotum)
Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsella_bursa-pastoris
TTT https://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk/plant-database/viewplants/?plant=297&c=6#.W2h9VFVKhaQ
In this case the alarmists at TTT are concerned with it being goitrogenic, a concern that arose based on the swollen necks of Aldabra and Galapagos tortoises. There is indeed a single Vet journal entry relating goitrogenic foods with swollen necks in tortoises, that has been bemoaned by its author based on further-later study. The Thyroid gland is in the neck, so it was a reasonable 'cause and effect' idea, but now the focus is on the thymus being the corrupted organ in those giant tortoises. Still not a resolved issue what's going on with those necks, but this condition has been found in-situ, so NOT a result of eating kale or shepherd's purse.
Feedipedia, no account
It is considered an "important fodder species" in India https://www.researchgate.net/public...Fodder_Plant_Species_of_Ladakh_Himalaya_India
Malva one type is called cheese weed
Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malva
TTT https://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk/plant-database/viewplants/?plant=6&c=5#.W2iBkVVKhaQ
They look at a few species of the many.
Feedipedia no account
There are many many papers that look at various mallows as fodder for animals, most are published pre-internet and in an english language.
You might notice a bit of an attitude regarding the TTT in my written tone. Frankly, they take liberties* with information and post it, where others (readers) regard it as biblical in importance. The publishers of TTT are fighting hard against the low variety, feed them what they 'like', and offer treats - mentality to tortoise diets. It is a very hard fight and one I hope they succeed more at than not. But it has also created zealots that don't think outside the TTT box. These zealots often prowl around on Facebook, pouncing on anyone feeding something that TTT suggests be fed in moderation or not at all, things that are good foods.
* (from the account for shepherd's purse) "Please be aware that two or more goitrogenic plants should not be fed in conjunction with each other, and the sum total of goitrogenic foods should not exceed the guideline for a single plant of 'in moderation' (amber-green) or 'sparingly' (amber-red). This will ensure that goitrogenic consumption stays within safe limits." (Really, the guideline, what guideline based on what study? Safe limits?)
@PA2019 I'd stick with adding the mallow for the chance of not getting into a debate with a TTT zealot. I don't use too many weeds, but I have used all of these. The tortoises seem to pick and choose, and I think it has something to do with the maturity of the leaves at the time they are offered. I find this with Mulberry and Hibiscus as well.
Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellaria_media
TTT https://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk/plant-database/viewplants/?plant=86&c=6#.W2h6blVKhaQ
But see this about the alarmist regard for saponins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saponin
USDA Nutrient database no account
Feedipedia No onsite database but they refer to this article https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...en-macerated/549D5894C3A797C082861F9982871BCF
with free access here https://static.cambridge.org/resour...0805:S0021859697004759:S002185969700475Xa.pdf
Capsella bursa-pastoris Shepard's purse (the seeds look like a goat scrotum)
Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsella_bursa-pastoris
TTT https://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk/plant-database/viewplants/?plant=297&c=6#.W2h9VFVKhaQ
In this case the alarmists at TTT are concerned with it being goitrogenic, a concern that arose based on the swollen necks of Aldabra and Galapagos tortoises. There is indeed a single Vet journal entry relating goitrogenic foods with swollen necks in tortoises, that has been bemoaned by its author based on further-later study. The Thyroid gland is in the neck, so it was a reasonable 'cause and effect' idea, but now the focus is on the thymus being the corrupted organ in those giant tortoises. Still not a resolved issue what's going on with those necks, but this condition has been found in-situ, so NOT a result of eating kale or shepherd's purse.
Feedipedia, no account
It is considered an "important fodder species" in India https://www.researchgate.net/public...Fodder_Plant_Species_of_Ladakh_Himalaya_India
Malva one type is called cheese weed
Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malva
TTT https://www.thetortoisetable.org.uk/plant-database/viewplants/?plant=6&c=5#.W2iBkVVKhaQ
They look at a few species of the many.
Feedipedia no account
There are many many papers that look at various mallows as fodder for animals, most are published pre-internet and in an english language.
You might notice a bit of an attitude regarding the TTT in my written tone. Frankly, they take liberties* with information and post it, where others (readers) regard it as biblical in importance. The publishers of TTT are fighting hard against the low variety, feed them what they 'like', and offer treats - mentality to tortoise diets. It is a very hard fight and one I hope they succeed more at than not. But it has also created zealots that don't think outside the TTT box. These zealots often prowl around on Facebook, pouncing on anyone feeding something that TTT suggests be fed in moderation or not at all, things that are good foods.
* (from the account for shepherd's purse) "Please be aware that two or more goitrogenic plants should not be fed in conjunction with each other, and the sum total of goitrogenic foods should not exceed the guideline for a single plant of 'in moderation' (amber-green) or 'sparingly' (amber-red). This will ensure that goitrogenic consumption stays within safe limits." (Really, the guideline, what guideline based on what study? Safe limits?)
@PA2019 I'd stick with adding the mallow for the chance of not getting into a debate with a TTT zealot. I don't use too many weeds, but I have used all of these. The tortoises seem to pick and choose, and I think it has something to do with the maturity of the leaves at the time they are offered. I find this with Mulberry and Hibiscus as well.